zxfingyz
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posted March 14, 2006 12:36 PM
How much does it cost?
So my local dealer just quoted me $12,763 out the door. Tax, plate, freight and all that BS included, for "starters".
"Starters"? What is that supposed to mean?
For $200 bucks on deposit they will order the color I want from the factory.
  
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Drowland
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posted March 14, 2006 12:38 PM
Is that with or without vaseline????
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zxfingyz
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posted March 14, 2006 12:39 PM
And he said it was at least 2 weeks away from arriving at their shop.
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fish_antlers
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posted March 14, 2006 12:41 PM
I've seen it for less, but it's pretty much the same story from my own dealer... 
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posted March 14, 2006 12:42 PM
sorry dude that was pretty shitty response if I do say so myself. Under 11 grand would be a far value. There is a 15 % margin and then they get at least 2 % kick back from the manufacture. So you do the math... Peace
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zxfingyz
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posted March 14, 2006 12:42 PM
I am sure that vaseline would be extra. And they probably don't carry Vaseline. It would be Kawaskai Brand OEM Sexual Deviance Lubrication Gel and they don't have it in stock.
"We could order it though.....if you want to come in and pay for it with cash first...."
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zxfingyz
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posted March 14, 2006 12:46 PM
If I do your math that puts the price before all the bullshit (plates and freight) at about $9,990 or so. That can't be right can it? I used 12k as the base price. I totally agree with the margin and the dealer holdback but I just wonder what the real numbers are....
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Drowland
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posted March 14, 2006 01:10 PM
Thats the numbers.. Worked for powersports dealership for fun for awhile.. I bought mine for 10600 out the door.. Actually I paying the dealer 10500 and 100 to the sales guy.. Honda east Toledo or somthing like that selling for 10179 out the door but tax is not included...
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posted March 14, 2006 01:49 PM
Mine was $11,367.00 out the door including 6.5% sales tax, dealer prep and license.
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posted March 14, 2006 02:12 PM
Shut up and pay it, and go ride if you pay less you'll value it less. You know there's a saying if you don't like the guys price don't pay it, he went into business to make money and from all the ranting and ravings the bike is worth it.
I've always enjoyed this forum but lately this gimme gimme gimme attitude reminds of the last father and outing at my sons school. As a consumer you have a choice and as a dealer he has a choice, that's why it's call Suggested Retail price!
Bike 11,500
Dealer prep 300
Tax 700
12,500
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posted March 14, 2006 02:28 PM
Two quotes I got were basically $10,300 + delivery & prep of $300 + 6.25% Tax + license fees = about $11,400 OTD.
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posted March 14, 2006 08:08 PM
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Shut up and pay it, and go ride if you pay less you'll value it less.
Bike 11,500
Dealer prep 300
Tax 700
12,500
Man not only was that Rude but it was also on the ignorant side   . Listen go for the best price you can get in your area. Do price comparison and if you really want a good deal always bring cash in hand (or a check). Dont go too high you dont want to feel like a sucker or have buyers remorse or go too low were the sales people might escort you to the door with a shoe print on your trousers.
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posted March 14, 2006 09:26 PM
Hitman you pay retail for cars as well? I sure as hell dont, and I dont pay retail for motorcycles either. My dealer told me around 10,700-800 or so plus tax and set up. Not too bad of a deal really. I might look around a little bit more but its probably gonna take too much legwork only to save a couple hundred $$
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Hitman12
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posted March 15, 2006 05:22 AM
No Z I don't pay retail for cars,
and MrHi it was not rude and was so far from ignorant ,
His post made it seem like the dealer inflated the price on him. The price he quoted was right at SUGGESTED retail, I laugh alot when guys post prices they paid becasue I could tell you something that you would not believe unless you worked in a dealership.
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posted March 15, 2006 05:38 AM
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His post made it seem like the dealer inflated the price on him. The price he quoted was right at SUGGESTED retail, I laugh alot when guys post prices they paid becasue I could tell you something that you would not believe unless you worked in a dealership.
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zxfingyz
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posted March 15, 2006 05:56 AM
Whatever. I worked at a dealership too. For some time. And they never ever let me know the price they paid for anything. I sold more than a few bikes to people who did not or could not come onto a forum and say "Hey what is a good price this bike?". Buyer beware right?
All I am trying to do is find out what is a reasonable price and what other more informed (than me at least) consumers are paying or hearing for price.
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posted March 15, 2006 05:58 AM
Rude? On the "ignorant side"? Oh really?
Been with the same dealer for about 15 years. Ever since he first opened his doors. Paid MSRP for each and every bike I got there. WHY? Kinda simple really.
1. I can't afford to pay cash for it and I have always traded in my previous bikes.
2. They always give me better then the best NADA value for my trade.
3, They throw in some "little things" like a service manual and such (no Arai helmets or such).
Still not good enough? I guess establishing a good relationship with a GOOD dealer is worth it for some. After all, what can a "good relationship" be worth, right? Well, for me, it means:
1. Paying cost +10% for all my parts, accessories, leathers, helmets, fluids, aftermarket products, etc. The same applies for our racing team and we don't even race Kawasaki bikes or any brand he sells.
2. Having a personal and team "open charge accounts" where I can just walk directly into the parts department, pick up what ever I want or have ordered and walk out the door with it... saying "put it on my account". They send me a bill in the mail (most of the time).
3. On "high ticket" (read: expensive) items like pipes or PCIII, I can pay for it in no interest monthly payments and in any amount I choose.
4. I have full access to their computers to look up parts and dealer price catalogs from TR, PU, LP and so on.
5. I can talk to any of the mechanics for advice on making my own repairs (including warranty claims).
6. I can take home any "specialty" tool they have and keep it as long as I need to do such repairs .
7. I can mount and balance my own tires with their equipment at no charge.
8. My dealer has covered the cost of the very small number of warranty claims that were declined by KMC.
9. When my 12R arrived, I helped uncrate it. On my 10R, I just took the crate home.
10. If I can't make to the dealer during business hours to pick up something, they just stash it somewhere outside so I can pick it up after they close... and in house charge it.
.... and I can go on and on.
This relationship didn't happen overnight or just after buying a bike or two. It has been a long time of give and take between us. I've spent a many rainy Saturdays down there, helping unpacking shipments and stocking the parts shelves. It also hasn't hurt that every one of my trade ins sold the same day I brought it in.
I am a small business owner and completely understand the difference between making money and paying the bills. My dealer doesn't drive fancy cars, own a big house and the building they are in is nothing short of a dump. He is also one of the nation's top dealers and has be a Ichiban Gold for so many years, I've lost count.
I plan on riding motorcycles until I die and hope to have several more decades of hitting that starter button. If anything, I'd say that I'm in it for the long haul when it comes to buying bikes. Paying a couple of hundred or even a thousand more then what I could pay by "shopping around" is small change over the years. Just considering what they give me in trade makes it even smaller. If he quite selling Kawasakis today and switched to Yamaha, Honda or Suzuki (which I kinda doubt), my next bike would not be a Kawasaki.
If you think you could not establish such a relationship with a dealer, either your not trying or you need to find another dealer. My relationship with a salesman ends when the ink drys. After that, it is all about the parts counter and service department. "Price" isn't everything. "Value" is.
Just remember that the bitterness of poor service lingers long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten. You get what you pay for.
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zxfingyz
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posted March 15, 2006 06:37 AM
Red Elk,
Now that is an interesting perspective. I am not sure that what you have is the rule, more like the exception but it sounds like you have done some great work and are getting tremendous value.
You should give a shout out to your dealer in this space as it sounds like anyone in your area would do well to do business with your dealership.
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posted March 15, 2006 07:24 AM
Redelk is he a sucker? Don't know but me, I don't ever want to see a dealership after I buy, why? Because if I was there, that means something bad has happened!
I buy every part, road gear etc., on the internet, excepting Arai, do my own work, change tires and shit, what do I need them for after I score a bitchin bike?
I am a businessman, I need the "art of the deal" or I can't live with myself!!
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posted March 15, 2006 07:38 AM
blueford... I think that there is a middle ground between you and redelk... that would be the ideal...
Redelk.. . I need my garage cleaned 
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Lilrock04blue12
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posted March 15, 2006 08:17 AM
Hey Redelk, Big Dave charges me 20 for a tire mount at kaw sp cent how much for your services Sherm.
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redelk
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posted March 15, 2006 08:36 AM
 Edited By: redelk on 15 Mar 2006 11:45
zxfingyz - I'm guessing its more of an "exception", but not as rare as most would think and hardly impossible for most to acomplish with their dealer. Its that "give and take" part some have a problem with. Like I said earlier, I'd spend rainy Saturdays down there just helping out. Today, they have more than enough "weed hoppers" to do such work, but I'll still go an visit, EVEN when I don't need or want something. Oh, and my dealer is also a client of my company.
blueford - I can't afford the "art of the deal". What little I'd save in the sale price, I'd pay many times over in what I'd pay in internet purchases, be it OEM or aftermarket.
Fish - shouldn't you be tossin' someone's salad. Go away. You bother me, lil' boy.
LR04 - Mine would be $50 per tire, ONLY if you bring me the wheels off the bike. $20 for Big Dave and $30 for me. 
Part of the "honor deal" is that I don't do "other customers" wheels as if they were my own. On the other hand, if you don't mind your rims getting all scratched to hell, I might work something out with ya (Sharpies are great). Just kidding... on the "work something out" part. The scratched rims would be a "given".
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posted March 15, 2006 08:44 AM
I would gladly pay 12 000 US dollars for a ZZR1400 in Finland....
I'd even throw in extra 1000 dollars for the ABS
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posted March 15, 2006 08:47 AM
Red - sounds like you've got a great thing goin there.
Here in SoCal there are so many dealers that I honestly think they could care less if they see you back or not.
Like many of the car dealers in the area, they just figure that there are so many bikes around that customer retention is just not worth shedding a tear about (and yes, I've worked at a coupla of those car dealers).
I've tried my best to deal with the local dealer for a few years now and honestly they have done absolutely nothing to keep me as a customer.
Doing what I do, I understand the intricacies of the trade and that's what pisses me off even more and also adds to my eternal confusion as to why bike dealers seem to be light years behind the automotive world in their service practices.
I'm in the market for a bike and I'm lookin - I've found the best price at a dealer that is only 20 miles away.
My local dealer won't deal on the trade or the 14 and the transaction would easily cost me $3k more than at the other shop.
I find it hard to patronize somewhere that doesn't give a crap whether I'm there or not and does nothing to change the situation.
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posted March 15, 2006 11:54 AM
D - In SoCal, you do seem to be screwed just about any way you look at it. There are probably for to six of four Kawi dealers in a 150 mile radius of Little Rock. That distance would pretty well cover the entire state. With a state population less then over 2.5 million, we would not be as big as a single suburb of SoCal.
I do agree with your assessment of dealer service. One could never expect a "15 minute" oil change at a bike dealer. I understand there is a tad bit more involved in changing the oil in a sportbike, but it should take a day or more as it does in some cases.
What truly baffles me is the lack of concern over customer retention and service. A dealer might make a "quick buck" on the sale of a bike, but the long term profits come from the sale of parts and service. I guess with as many folks as there are in your area, the "quick buck" is, for the most part, all that matters.
Sad. So much for "sunny" Southern California.
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