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posted January 23, 2006 06:48 AM
 Edited By: fish_antlers on 23 Jan 2006 07:22
Let's calculate the ZX14s wet weight. (easy)
Someone with a calculator:
Here's how....
if it is true that the published "dry weight" is the bike "wet without gas" as KMC stated with regards to the 10R, then this should be an easy excercise, made even easier as the numbers are meteric with no confusion over gallons and different kinds of gallons...
So...
the bike weighs:
210kg minus gas.
the fuel capacity is:
"TBD"... bastards!!! ... but hey.. thje 12R is 19L ....
lets guess that the fuel capacity of the 14 is the same as the 12, or pretty darn close...
how much does 19L of gas weigh?
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posted January 23, 2006 07:22 AM
okay.. here's a hint.
1 Liter of gasoline weights 0.702 kg .
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posted January 23, 2006 07:26 AM
http://www.zx14ninja.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=108&start=15&sid=af26e28ad94f2ab9e5549ba595e2c3e4
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I received from my German dealer the information that the weight of the ZZR 1400 will be 248 kg = 545,6 Lbs (ABS incl.). This would be the same like the BMW K 1200 S.
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248kg = 546 3/4 lbs, with ABS this is more than the US models (without ABS)
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posted January 23, 2006 07:47 AM
Come on fish so easy right? what is it
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posted January 23, 2006 07:51 AM
Edited By: D on 23 Jan 2006 07:56
492 pounds - give or take a pound.
Bout 45 pounds lighter than a 12 ???
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posted January 23, 2006 07:57 AM
ABS system + slightly bigger battery + more gasoline
Error in information?
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posted January 23, 2006 08:03 AM
Edited By: D on 23 Jan 2006 09:12
Well then using the 248 kg weight yer lookin at 575 pounds which would then put the bike about 30 pounds heavier than a 12.
Compare a Busa to a 12 and the 10 pounds seems very noticeable (to me at least) and I'll tell ya what - the bikes I sat on at the show sure didn't feel heavier than a 12.
(edited for revised fuel weight that I hadn't coverted to lbs - DOH!)
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posted January 23, 2006 08:11 AM
20 pounds Hummmmmm????? BINGO!!!
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posted January 23, 2006 08:17 AM
BTW - that's based on 5 gallons of fuel.
More fuel capacity will be nice but add another 7(?) pounds per gallon additional capacity.
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posted January 23, 2006 08:27 AM
19 x .702= 13.338 kg of fuel
210 kg (bike) + 13.338 kg (fuel)
= 223.338 kg (bike and fuel)
1kg= 2.20462262lbs
therefore bike's weight is 223.338 x 2.20462262
= 492.37 lbs
I'm with you. This weight seems kinda low.
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posted January 23, 2006 09:00 AM
Good enough!
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posted January 23, 2006 10:10 AM
My guess is 225kg = 496lbs without ABS
(actually anything under 500lbs sounds great)
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posted January 23, 2006 11:58 AM
The bigger engine may take more oil
and the radiator might be sligtly bigger, too
What about the clutch fluids?
It's not just the bigger tank for gasoline
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posted January 23, 2006 12:46 PM
like I said, I was told at the 10R intro that the published "dry" weight was wet minus gas... now I am simply applying that information to this document and trying to draw some conclusions.
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posted January 23, 2006 03:37 PM
"Well then using the 248 kg weight yer lookin at 575 pounds which would then put the bike about 30 pounds heavier than a 12."
248kg is not 575 pounds, but 546 and 3/4 lbs
I don't say this is the right figure even for ABS models
From another thread:
"Kawasaki's curb weight figure for the Twelve (2005 model) is 542 lb."
The extra 4 3/4 lbs might be extra fuel and the clutch hydraulics
From Kawasaki PDF:
* Large-volume fuel tank maximises playtime between fill-ups.
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posted January 23, 2006 04:07 PM
Edited By: trenace on 23 Jan 2006 16:16
From the Kawasaki site, for the 2005 model ZX-10R:
Curb weight: 432.1 lb
Dry weight: 374.9 lb
(Difference: 57.2 lb)
Gas capacity: 17L (4.5 gallons)
(Weight: about 26.2 lb)
If dry weight is defined as curb weight minus fuel, that is a first. Never seen that before, and actually I don't expect ever to see a factory do it and call that "dry weight." It certainly wasn't done that way for the 2005 ZX-10R.
For that matter, Kawasaki's dry weight value for the 2006 ZX-10R is 175 kg (see Blueford's post.) That is 385.8 lb. The gas capacity is 17 liters, so add 26.2 lb.
Is the full-gas weight of the 2006 bike really just the dry weight plus the fuel weight, or 412 lb?
If that were true, it would be 20 lb lighter than the 2005, which is 432.1 lb.
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posted January 23, 2006 09:57 PM
Kawasaki is FULL of SHIT! on the weight figures. I suggest we all wait and put it on the scale at the track somewhere. If it was liter they would be pounding their chest by now. It can't be bigger in every way and be liter unless exotic materials were used through out. They haven't been so it's heavier beyond doubt. Just how much remains to be seen. It's more what they're not saying that points to added weight, and the whole seeing is believing deal. I see it and it's BIGer therefore it must weigh more if the same materials have been used to create it.
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posted January 24, 2006 12:58 AM
Over the Years in every magazine tests the ZX12 has weighted between 248-250kg (546-550lbs)(A-model) and 247-249 kg (543-548lbs)(B-model). That's including all the fluids and fulla tank of gas - so ride ready. I'd think that the ZX14 will be pretty close.
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posted January 24, 2006 05:08 AM
Edited By: ricksgsxr on 24 Jan 2006 05:13
I read this today from a link at Psychobusa.
Model brouchure 210kg dry
http://www.ksrc-au.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7363&highlight=
Double Post-Sorry. But some good pics there!
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posted January 24, 2006 07:56 AM
Trenace... maybe there is a different "dry weight" listed in the owner's manual.. It would be worth checking.
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posted January 24, 2006 02:35 PM
Edited By: trenace on 24 Jan 2006 14:42
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Kawasaki is FULL of SHIT! on the weight figures. I suggest we all wait and put it on the scale at the track somewhere. If it was liter they would be pounding their chest by now. It can't be bigger in every way and be liter unless exotic materials were used through out. They haven't been so it's heavier beyond doubt. Just how much remains to be seen. It's more what they're not saying that points to added weight, and the whole seeing is believing deal. I see it and it's BIGer therefore it must weigh more if the same materials have been used to create it.
They're claiming NO change in "dry weight" (which historically and generally does not mean weight minus gasoline) so there's no reason to blame them for calling it lighter -- they have not.
As for it being "bigger in every way" that's a pretty questionable claim. Very many parts are likely identical in size. Boring out a cylinder subtracts weight, not adds. The slightly taller block adds weight, but not much. The swingarm being an inch longer does not necessarily add any significant weight at all, if any, being a newer design. The frame is lighter, they report The wheels almost surely are lighter, possibly much lighter since the 12 was a real pig there. The bodywork is overall really about the same size but even if 10% bigger, add 10% to the weight of the 12's bodywork and what are you adding, less than 2 lb? Obviously easily overcome by better wheels.
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posted January 24, 2006 04:32 PM
Time will tell. Like I said Look at what Fish personally found out when he weighed the 10. But those numbers don't match what Kawasaki says. Now is Fish full of shit? or does Kawasaki fuck with the numbers? Why would the 14 be different?
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posted January 24, 2006 04:40 PM
Edited By: trenace on 24 Jan 2006 16:57
Fish's measurement was with neither bike having any exact amount of gas, but rather both having partial gas. Your choice whether to give that high accuracy or not. I have yet to see a Kawasaki published curb weight figure that was not proven correct by the magazines.
Why y'all go on about "dry weight," I don't know. Japanese dry weight figures, regardless of manufacturer, tell little about what you're getting, apparently for reason of really being design weight, that is to say the sum of the design weights of the parts, excluding I think battery. Not a good predictor, don't try to make it one, wait for curb weight to have a conclusion. That, in contrast, is a measured figure of a production bike.
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posted January 24, 2006 04:44 PM
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Now is Fish full of shit? or does Kawasaki fuck with the numbers?
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posted January 24, 2006 05:13 PM
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Now is Fish full of shit? or does Kawasaki fuck with the numbers?
Now there's a question that's gonna fire this place up some
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