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posted September 17, 2005 07:44 PM
 Edited By: trenace on 17 Sep 2005 21:17
Another new pic, "in action." Also new chop that suggests hope
Having the rider and other people present helps give perspective on the size and general look:
  
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posted September 17, 2005 08:14 PM
OK, here we go.... strakes gone, stealth, and lower part of tail gone. That last might be doable. Could also be that subframe will show, but time will have to tell:
Tell me this is not now starting to look reasonable??
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posted September 17, 2005 08:33 PM
Bill I'm proud to have you and your photo shop on our side working on this. Yes, The first thing I thought of was a way to remove that part of the tail. It's a lot better.
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posted September 17, 2005 08:36 PM
Actually the front isn't too bad if it were remade and about 6 head lights left out of it. Just one projector beam center mounted.
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posted September 17, 2005 08:38 PM
Thanks! On the subframe issue, it does seem to me that there may well be shit sticking out with that panel removed... but on that note, subframes aren't exactly unchangeable. For bikes where replacement subframes are popular, they're very cheap actually. For a custom one, well I'm not sure but I just asked Friday, though for the 12 (looking for lighter, perhaps a better solution to drilling the stock one) and expect to get a quote shortly.
If say a replacement subframe will allow running the bike without those lower parts of the tail, that would really help the situation.
(Or maybe I'm wrong and the stock subframe can or can easily be modded to do so, for example maybe just having tabs sticking downwards in particular locations.)
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posted September 17, 2005 08:42 PM
Yea I need to go back and look at those first pics from the show with the cut away model to see the frame.
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posted September 17, 2005 08:48 PM
I'd like to see it photoshopped with an 04-05 zx10 tail, or the zx12r tail.
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posted September 17, 2005 08:53 PM
Edited By: trenace on 17 Sep 2005 22:04
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Actually the front isn't too bad if it were remade and about 6 head lights left out of it. Just one projector beam center mounted.
As Mr Serling might have said, "Submitted for your approval..."
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posted September 17, 2005 09:12 PM
Damn Bill she's starting to come around. Hoist that sail sailor we're coming about!!!!!!!!
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posted September 17, 2005 09:16 PM
Edited By: trenace on 18 Sep 2005 01:14
Seriously, between now and production Kawasaki ought to think SERIOUSLY about getting rid of those two center lights and getting rid of the bottom section of that tail. And the grab bar too. (Have it as an option.)
Plus profile the seat or something.
These are ALL changes that could be done in the time remaining, and could make a hell of a difference to sales, in my personal opinion anyway.
Oh yeah and get rid of the strakes on the side and the fender.
Is there anyone that does NOT think that the above chop looks better, much better? (Even though it is only a partial fix, didn't fix the strakes in that one.)
Incidentally, I accidentally did the chop onto a previous chop that simulates 4 into 1. So for fair comparison, now I've put the left exhaust back in. Here's my suggested mods on nose and tail vs stock, which is better? (BTW, on my computer anyway, using the Page Up and Page Down buttons flips the pics back and forth instantly, pretty cool.)
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posted September 17, 2005 09:41 PM
Bill try it the other way. leave the two center ones and dump the others.
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posted September 17, 2005 10:06 PM
Edited By: trenace on 18 Sep 2005 01:14
First, I don't know (kind of highly doubt) the realism of the suggestion that Kawasaki is reading this board and could conceivably change their mind on any styling details from anything posted here, but if that were true, I could see them dropping the center lights but not all BUT the center lights, unless they could put hi/lo into EACH bulb (which I suppose could be done.)
Nonetheless, here it is (no guarantee on accurate light rendition in the faked areas, I am not an artist), center-only vs outside-only. Personally I find the outside-only to be more ZX-RR reminscent in the "shovel" shape (which is a good thing). On the other hand, the center-lights-only looks slimmer:
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posted September 18, 2005 01:56 AM
what the hell is a strake?
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posted September 18, 2005 03:34 AM
i like the center 2 best!!
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posted September 18, 2005 04:18 AM
That's better
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posted September 18, 2005 06:46 AM
Me too... I like just the two center lights...
Good job Tren...!!!
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posted September 18, 2005 07:06 AM
Edited By: CrotchRocket on 18 Sep 2005 08:08
The photo shop work is only minor...Not really making a big difference to me...I like the 14, the way it is!!!
The pic of the blue bike in the burnout is nice...The blue is definately the best color...From the side the fairing upper looks like the 10!!!...The 14 will look good slammed and ready for the DragStrip!!!...I cant wait to see it in person!!!
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posted September 18, 2005 08:56 AM
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what the hell is a strake?
No shit....... strake this, strake that. WTF is it?
"a continuous line of planking or metal plates from stem to stern on a ship"
Does this mean we finally have the "land yacht" we've all been dreaming of?
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posted September 18, 2005 09:32 AM
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what the hell is a strake?
It's a mythological bird that comes in the dead of the night and spirits off with your two outer headlights...
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posted September 18, 2005 01:13 PM
Edited By: trenace on 18 Sep 2005 18:15
That is a nautical definition... I'm not aware of a specific formal aerodynamic definition but a strake is an extremely low aspect ratio (far below 1:1) fin. In other words, extremely shallow relative to its length.
Here's an online explanation, but it fails I think to make clear the aspect ratio distinction between strakes and fins, winglets, or canards:
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In aviation, a strake is an aerodynamic surface generally mounted on the fuselage of an aircraft to control airflow. The strake produces vortices by interacting with the airstream. Aircraft designers change the location, angle and shape of the strake to produce the desired interaction. The strake is commonly confused with a canard or a winglet.
For example, here's a pic of the X-31: the lower part of the tail has a strake on each side.
I didn't refer to the objects the Kawasaki has as fins, due to their extreme shallowness. Fins would typically have a higher aspect ratio (a substantial depth relative to their length.)
Also on the strakes, besides the aerodynamic meaning, there is also the automotive usage where "strakes" means the same sort of thing seen on the ZX-14.
For example automotive usages, Googling strakes and Testarossa yields 790 webpages employing that description for the Testarossa's horizontal somewhat knife-like body features at the air ducts. I believe that is the term most commony used by the Ferraristi and the press for them, and the things on this bike are obviously similar to or perhaps even originally inspired by the TR's like features, its strakes.
Anyhow, if one prefers to call them fins I suppose that isn't wrong, but strakes is more accurate I think. At least for the fender: on the side panels they may be so thick that "ribs" would be more accurate. Hard to tell from the photos. I would only call them strakes if their thickness is no greater than the distance they stick out.
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posted September 18, 2005 01:44 PM
Where are those cut-away pics at?
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posted September 18, 2005 02:33 PM
Is that Bergie sitting on the bike in the 1 st pic?The bike looks tough. I wonder how much they will cost.
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posted September 18, 2005 02:41 PM
Hey Bergie, are'nt you glad I told you to wait for the new big bore in 2006 
Now you'll be the 1st. to break 200mph on an OEM bike without mods!!! 
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posted September 18, 2005 02:41 PM
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Is that Bergie sitting on the bike in the 1 st pic?The bike looks tough. I wonder how much they will cost.
MSRP $11,499.
Can't recall where I read that.
Which means, first year, it'll probably cost you (sans tt&l) $10,5 - 10,8 OTD. Just a W.A.G...
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posted September 18, 2005 03:22 PM
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Is that Bergie sitting on the bike in the 1 st pic?The bike looks tough. I wonder how much they will cost.
MSRP $11,499.
Can't recall where I read that.
Which means, first year, it'll probably cost you (sans tt&l) $10,5 - 10,8 OTD. Just a W.A.G...
which means feb 06 I can buy it for 8995 (sans tt&l)
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