zx12adam
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posted March 15, 2008 05:19 PM
Trac-Control in MotoGP?
How do you feel about it?
Personally I like to see them push the tech envelope in advancement to bring it to us here on streetbikes.
HOWEVER!
F-1 recently did away with trac-control and other electronic aids by switching to spec ECU's and the cars are much more exciting to watch as the drivers have their hands full, sawing at the wheel, sliding the cars out of the corners, it's great. Meanwhile the GP bikes are becoming inline, on rails, straight all the time as the electronics keep the bikes manageable(babysitting and some say determining the winner); still great racing but not as exciting as the 80's/90's.
In the end I say trac(and launch)-control should be pulled from GP, WSB, hell ALL motorcycle racing. When it comes to stock production bikes off the showroom then let them run it in the production based classes. GP should be, without a doubt, about the best racers in the world, not electronics.
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posted March 16, 2008 06:12 AM
In my humble opinion there should be no traction control allowed. I had the pleasure of watch the GP 2 stroke 500s during 7 years of living in Europe and I can tell you the excitement of watching Schwantz, Rainey, Lawson, et al, trying to control those bikes was second to none.
An arguement could be made that traction control makes riding those high horspower bikes safer...but I am not conviced that traction control makes the sport safer.
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posted March 16, 2008 06:59 AM
bikes may be unrideable without it! (BTW... check your PM pleeeez!! )
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posted March 18, 2008 04:19 AM
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In my humble opinion there should be no traction control allowed. I had the pleasure of watch the GP 2 stroke 500s during 7 years of living in Europe and I can tell you the excitement of watching Schwantz, Rainey, Lawson, et al, trying to control those bikes was second to none.
An arguement could be made that traction control makes riding those high horspower bikes safer...but I am not conviced that traction control makes the sport safer.
try telling that to Rainey. If it makes the bikes safer than it's a good thing. Most of the passing is in the corners and
the bikes are very close to one another on the exits. I think that this is possible because of trac control
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posted March 18, 2008 08:21 AM
NOT A FAN OF IT AT ALL....let the riders ride
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posted March 18, 2008 09:25 AM
Too "let the riders ride" cannot be argued. BUT the bikes nowadays are so godawful powerful with tires so sticky that when they give they give brutally. If you were to take all the controls off there would literally be bloodshed every single race. That might be cool in Nascar where the drivers are protected with roll cages and HANS devices, but not so good when its flesh hitting walls.
No my friends, it is here to stay, in some form or fashion, until the rules change so drastically that the manufacturers have to complete start over with detuned bikes. Not that I think thats a bad thing. Lets be realistic, if there average mph dropped 20mph would you guys even care? I personally dont think that the average fan would even KNOW IT without some announcer or scoreboard showing it.
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posted March 19, 2008 09:37 AM
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BUT the bikes nowadays are so godawful powerful with tires so sticky that when they give they give brutally. If you were to take all the controls off there would literally be bloodshed every single race.
No, the 500cc 2-strokes had a violent powerband, the current 4-strokes are gradual(controlable).
It doesn't come down to the amount of HP/Torque produced but the way it comes on.
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posted March 19, 2008 03:32 PM
 Edited By: edge2edge on 19 Mar 2008 16:35
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try telling that to Rainey. If it makes the bikes safer than it's a good thing. Most of the passing is in the corners and
the bikes are very close to one another on the exits. I think that this is possible because of trac control
I respectfully disagree. I was directly across from turn one and actually got pictures of Raineys career ending crash. What caused his injury is deep furrows in the sand in the run-off area in turn one at Misano not the fact that he had no traction control. He went into the sand head+upper body first...crashes happen in racing and it is sad that his career was ended as a result. Look at the Isle of Man TT races, traction control might help, but if you crash, chances are very high that you are going to get hurt or killed.
Motorcycle racing will always involve crashes, and although traction control might help reduce injuries, examination of facilities and corner run-off would be more critical in my view. It is not the speed that kills, it is a sudden stop against solid objects....
Watching the riders control the motorcyles, while at the limit is amazing, traction control limits the riders control by placing it in control of a computer. Who is to say at that point that it was rider skill that prevails or who has the most money invested in the machines? Rule changes help limit the companies from that to some degree, but I guess I appreciate rider skill over tech advances.
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posted March 20, 2008 05:56 AM
Edited By: zx12adam on 20 Mar 2008 06:57
Looks like I'm not alone...
http://www.visordown.com/motorcyclenews/view/capirossi_calls_for_freeze_on_rider_aids/3992.html
FORMER multi World Champion Loris Capirossi has called for a freeze on rider aids in MotoGP with a dire warning that if the rate of recent developments continue then:
"MotoGP will be no fun in five years time."
Capirossi has let his feelings be known as part of the open debate on the future of the blue-riband class, Dorna-boss Carmelo Ezpeleta has said that he wants to hear from all interested parties about the next step of MotoGP development.
Capirossi said: "We talk as much about the aids and technology being used for safety and naturally these driving assistance do make riding these bikes safer, but I think that there is another side to this where the show element of MotoGP suffers.
"We do not drift the bikes any more as much as we used to. I think that the sport is no longer so spectacular. MotoGP is the point of motorcycle racing, here is where the really good pilots should be able to show their skill and be out front. If we don't freeze the aids now then riding our bikes will be no more fun. And that would happen in the next five years."
Judging by the way Stoner slaughtered the opposition in Qatar we reckon MotoGP will be no fun in a lot less than five years, Loris.
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posted March 20, 2008 06:18 AM
adam.... check your PM
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posted March 20, 2008 01:53 PM
No traction control.
Though the Motogp bikes are superior to the old two stroke GP bikes - I can tell you that riding an Erv Kanemoto TZ750 four cylinder two stroke making 150 hp with a very short powerband, in a 320 lb package, on bias ply slicks, was absolutely the most difficult thing I ever did in racing. Much respect for the people who rode them way faster than I.
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