fastestbusaaround
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posted June 30, 2006 08:08 PM
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For anyone that doesn't have the patience to read the whole report, Brock suggests the TRE for street use and the no-plates option for race use...
"My conclusion? Decide for yourself. I suggest the TRE for street use, if having your shift indicator displaying 6th gear all of the time doesn't drive you nuts. It is also a better choice for most on the drag strip as it is easily removable if your riding skills aren't ready for the additional launching power.
The no-plates set-up is a race only mod which could also be used by the 'short- pee-pee crowd' on the street for maximum 'minimal member' excitement. But, the bike will actually stall and die if subjected to full throttle at low rpm's in the wrong gear. I do not recommend this modification for street use at all, especially if you like to roll-on with your buddies. A Honda Hawk will outrun your 14 if your engine isn't running! It could also be dangerous, so don't do it."
My bike never stalled or even burped with the plates removed....and my gas consumption was 15% lower with them gone...interesting though how Ivan never thought to tell anyone that his TRE burns motors unless you spend another whack-a-dough for the PC3 and mapping which makes him an even bigger jackoff...here's to him... 
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posted June 30, 2006 08:24 PM
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My personal take on this is I would wait. Wait until someone releases a product that can adjust the trim on those secondaries. They're needed to keep the bike rideable.
Certainly it is now proven that no one can fault Ivan nor can they deny that his product delivers as it claims, however the uncanny resemblence in performance to pulling the plates altogether and the need to map the bike in either state really should make a consumer think twice about either of these mods.
Fish are you rethinking this mod on your 10R???
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posted June 30, 2006 08:30 PM
 Edited By: Brock on 30 Jun 2006 21:32
FYI: there have been quite a few guys ask about both TRE and No plates in the last several days alone....no one should feel bad! Clarity is precisely why I needed to perform the tests for myself. I simply have the means and determination to get it done.
SCARED to pull the plates?....my personal streetbike runs faster in the 1/8 mile than a 14 does in the quarter- and a WORLD RECORD landmark give me more than simply the clout of an internet hack.
Brock Runs FIRST Street Legal Seven Second Pass!
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posted June 30, 2006 08:38 PM
I thought some guys might like to watch this also:
Watch Brocks First in the Sevens video
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fastestbusaaround
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posted June 30, 2006 08:41 PM
Way cool Brock!!! Sent you an e-mail a few minutes ago..
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posted June 30, 2006 09:22 PM
Please take the time to read the whole article... there is far more to it than that recommendation.... we further point out that the TRE also disables the neutral light, the gear indicator, the shift light and the launch light... all key factors in making a "streetable" purchase tuning decision.
That's interesting because my neutral light and shift light still work with the TRE installed on my 14, just says 6 gear and no launch light, that's it.
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posted June 30, 2006 09:31 PM
Edited By: TJ on 30 Jun 2006 22:49
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I 'am one of those that is keeping those FLIES OUT. You know that "small penis thing" Well did TJ come to that analogy because He's seen Brock's widget & is making the analogy from that? Our, is it cuz he's too scared to pull the plates & therefore had to come up w/ that as a viable reason not to pull them? Well, just to clear the air I'm going to be e-mailing my widget's photo to TJ So he can make a retraction of his moronic statement!
Dude that was a stupid remark!
To Brock & Fish, You guys are an asset to the M/C community! That was an enlightening
read, thanks for taking the time for us.
Bill aka zx1kr
OK buddy, read the report and then send me an apology. The small penis comments were made by Brock. I was simply quoting his report (you would have known that if you had taken the time to read it). Please do not send me any pictures of your body. Read my post again...
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posted June 30, 2006 09:40 PM
Outstanding article. Well wriiten and researched.
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posted June 30, 2006 10:46 PM
As always, an excellent read by Brock!  :
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fish_antlers
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posted June 30, 2006 10:47 PM
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Please take the time to read the whole article... there is far more to it than that recommendation.... we further point out that the TRE also disables the neutral light, the gear indicator, the shift light and the launch light... all key factors in making a "streetable" purchase tuning decision.
That's interesting because my neutral light and shift light still work with the TRE installed on my 14, just says 6 gear and no launch light, that's it.
didnt on the test bike and also didnt on Vegasdude's bike... you might want to double check to see if all those lights etc still work.
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posted June 30, 2006 10:50 PM
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Fish are you rethinking this mod on your 10R???
NOt at all.. I'm going to wait for Kbryant to get the 10R on the pump to see what is up.. from the other post in the 10R Zone it appears that the A/F ratio wasn't effected as negatively as the 14... certainly no one has alerted anyone yet... the 10R's power with the plates out is a real treat.. I love it and I can't wait to see this mod developed further for more models (and OEMs)
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posted July 01, 2006 01:08 AM
So if I leave the plates out I am in the small penis croud?? WHOO HOO! Knew the extra torque would make my penis shrink, and now it's confirmed!!! Gotta go tell my g/f that I will no longer be able to please her!
I also have no stumbling/stalling issues... But, I will say that I would feel very uncomforatable letting someone ride my bike after pulling the plates, even though brocks map helped out a lot!!
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eric_the_Jew
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posted July 01, 2006 05:42 AM
Good read, Brock!
On another note, did Ivan just get these charts put up on his site, or have they been there for a while?? http://www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/zx14.htm
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posted July 01, 2006 05:56 AM
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I 'am one of those that is keeping those FLIES OUT. You know that "small penis thing" Well did TJ come to that analogy because He's seen Brock's widget & is making the analogy from that? Our, is it cuz he's too scared to pull the plates & therefore had to come up w/ that as a viable reason not to pull them? Well, just to clear the air I'm going to be e-mailing my widget's photo to TJ So he can make a retraction of his moronic statement!
Dude that was a stupid remark!
To Brock & Fish, You guys are an asset to the M/C community! That was an enlightening
read, thanks for taking the time for us.
Bill aka zx1kr
OK buddy, read the report and then send me an apology. The small penis comments were made by Brock. I was simply quoting his report (you would have known that if you had taken the time to read it). Please do not send me any pictures of your body. Read my post again...
Exactly! Brock was just being funny............with that Ohio sense of humor. HAHA!!
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posted July 01, 2006 05:58 AM
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I doubted Ivan would have fabricated dyno charts when it was only a matter of time before people began posting their own dyno results.
That said, I still think it's a BAD solution to the problem. It may work, but it's lack of sophistication is embarassing.
A piggback controller to run the secondary throttle plates would be acceptable. A way to reprogram the ECU would be the best.
Nothing embarrasing about the TRE. It's been aroung forever. It's a simple solution to a difficult problem. No issues with me..............and it's reversable so .......................
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posted July 01, 2006 06:00 AM
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My personal take on this is I would wait. Wait until someone releases a product that can adjust the trim on those secondaries. They're needed to keep the bike rideable.
Certainly it is now proven that no one can fault Ivan nor can they deny that his product delivers as it claims, however the uncanny resemblence in performance to pulling the plates altogether and the need to map the bike in either state really should make a consumer think twice about either of these mods.
UNLESS, you buy brocks' pipe and a power commander. Brock has the maps already!!
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posted July 01, 2006 08:47 AM
Great and informative write up Brock and editor for posting. can't wait to read the next chapter...
Zx-12 TB's or bored ZX-14 tb's 
This is the stuff that brings to me too message board (s) and I do not own a ZX-14 but love reading these mods and results even more so when they are fully documented as this one.
Thanks again,
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posted July 01, 2006 09:56 AM
Brock and Fish did this board a big service here. Thanks Guys!!
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posted July 01, 2006 11:07 AM
Awesome guys thank's for the incredable work
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posted July 01, 2006 05:21 PM
Nice job, Brock.
I'm a big fan of intelligent evaluation.
When riding Rob's bike I imagined scenario where the KMC guys tried an untamed ZX-14 and said something equivalent to, "Ah, This Very Cool!, but no way can sell ! Must reduce power!!"
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posted July 01, 2006 05:25 PM
It's absolutely a great read. And yep, I'm gonna wait for the solution I want. If it never happens, that's ok, it's still a great bike that I can ride and enjoy anywhere in any kind of weather.
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posted July 01, 2006 05:32 PM
Fish and swiftkart,
My neutral light still works w/the TRE, as well. I wonder if that means something was not hooked up correctly. It makes a nice difference, but I don't think it makes the kind of difference Brock's numbers show. Problem or all in my head?
I'll call Brock and Ivan for their opinion, also. Want to make sure I'm getting all I should be...
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posted July 01, 2006 05:44 PM
cls... talked to Brock about this today. There is a VERY good chance you have your TRE plugged in BACKWARDS.
Now Brock is going to confirm this because we just spoke about it, but you need to take note of the side of the connector marked with the black sharpie and make sure it's not flipped.
Sadly it does appear as though you should lose all the lights and indicators mentioned in the review.
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vegasdude
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posted July 01, 2006 05:48 PM
If your lights work, the TRE doesn't................................
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cls
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posted July 01, 2006 06:37 PM
All right, guys. Tell me again what I'm looking for, in the simplest of, non-mechanical, terms. The bike gained some power. The gear indicator always reads, "6," unless it's in neutral, in which case the neutral light is on and the gear indicator reads, "N." There is only one cable going into the PC box itself, and that is on the same side as the 9 volt battery, and computer/usb, cable ports are on. What else should I check? Needless to say, I didn't put it in myself...
Thanks, if you can help. If not, I'll check on it when everybody opens back up. Actually, thanks, in any event.
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