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posted October 04, 2005 05:57 AM
2006 Battle Royale: 06 Yamaha R6 vs 06 Suzuki GSXR750
Hash it out...let's hear your opinions, forget for a minute that the GSXR750 is 150cc more than the 17,500 redlined R6. Handling, comfort, all-around package...which one would you choose and why?
   
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posted October 04, 2005 07:08 AM
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posted October 04, 2005 07:52 AM
No much opinion nec.
the 750 is a pure breed stalion, genetic refinement of many years.
the R6 is just a good 600cc
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posted October 04, 2005 09:23 AM
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posted October 04, 2005 09:27 AM
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posted October 04, 2005 09:37 AM
The #1 method by which the R6 "has" a 17,500 rpm is false numbers, I would bet good money.
I would bet heavy odds the dyno will reveal that it does not reach 17,000.
I would even bet 50/50 that it does not reach 16,500.
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posted October 04, 2005 09:38 AM
So the tach is lying??
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posted October 04, 2005 09:42 AM
I am gonna get a bike that is styled like an R1, I am gonna get an R1.
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posted October 04, 2005 09:42 AM
all tach are liers
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posted October 04, 2005 09:42 AM
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Concerning the GSXR, If I am gonna get a bike that is styled like an R1, I am gonna get an R1.
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posted October 04, 2005 02:47 PM
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Concerning the GSXR, If I am gonna get a bike that is styled like an R1, I am gonna get an R1.
So would you get an R1?
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posted October 04, 2005 03:07 PM
get a crank and some parts 2
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posted October 04, 2005 03:10 PM
for the R1
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posted October 04, 2005 03:13 PM
How much crank would you need to buy an R1?
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posted October 04, 2005 03:17 PM
Just get 1 crank and a R1, that would be fine, for the moment,.
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posted October 04, 2005 04:24 PM
I woudl take the R6 over the GSXR 750.....I already have my 10, I woudl use the 600 as a track bike.....strip all the lights off and add some suspension goodies.....
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posted October 04, 2005 04:33 PM
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So the tach is lying??
My expectation is, yes and drastically. I would not even have confidence it necessarily does 16,500 rpm let alone the claimed seventeen thousand five hundred.
It was one thing when it was simple analogue error, and for that matter of only a few hundred rpm, and no marketing was being made out of it.
With the digital tachs, and the companies touting the figures as features of the bikes, and the "error" almost certainly 500 rpm or more, possibly even 1000 rpm or more, that seems another matter to me. The ECU most certainly "knows" the correct rpm -- the only reason the tach would display something different would appear to me to be deceit.
BTW Kawasaki is not immune to this either -- the ZX-10R digital tach is an exaggerator too, but not to the absurdity (that I bet will be found to be the case) of this Yamaha.
I can sort of understand how this started... when selling a bike with a digital tach, putting a redline a few hundred rpm less than the predecessor bike and a few hundred rpm less than the competitors' bikes could have seemed like a marketing disadvantage. So, the old tach read a few hundred high, make this one a few hundred high. Not that I agree with even that, but I can sort of understand that.
But it is now going way beyond that, it seems to me.
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beansbaxter
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posted October 04, 2005 04:35 PM
How can an engine that supposedly redlines at 17,5 even get more than 20k miles out of the life of it?
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posted October 04, 2005 04:38 PM
The ZX-10R could "redline at 17,500" too with nothing but a tach change, to a more-false tachometer. Screwing with the tach to make it read higher, even absurdly higher numbers doesn't change durability.
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posted October 05, 2005 04:13 AM
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Concerning the GSXR, If I am gonna get a bike that is styled like an R1, I am gonna get an R1.
So would you get an R1?
Too cramped for me, I'll stick to my 12.
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posted October 05, 2005 06:06 AM
Im saving for a zX10 or RR or Gixer 03-05.
The zx12r will be for touring
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posted October 05, 2005 09:39 AM
The GSXR will possibly weigh a little more, but will put out about 12 - 15 more hp. RPM deal is somewhat a mute point. When the NR500 (GP bike) was around and turning 22,000 rpm with Freddie on board, it wasn't winning races because of the rpm ceiling. The ZX6 "redlined" at 15 - 15.5. But yet it signs off on the power curve in the 13.5 - 14 area on the dyno. But from a racer standpoint (roadracing), the over-rev is really an advantage. Anytime you can carry a gear through a corner, at peak, and the power does not drop off dramatically without having to shift, that's an advantage.
Anyway, tough call. But I've always liked the "no replacement for displacement" deal. So I'd be leaning more towards the GSXR. On the racetrack, they'd be real close.
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posted October 05, 2005 01:49 PM
Why wouldn't you just compare the r6 to the gsxr 6?
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