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posted December 21, 2005 11:30 AM
What Bike Would you Buy?
which one 06 or 05
could make a stretch for the 06 but would be tight$$$
or get the 05 and have $$$ leftover for mods.
I just don't know please help...
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posted December 21, 2005 11:34 AM
That's easy 05!
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posted December 21, 2005 11:35 AM
why is it so easy for you gunner?
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posted December 21, 2005 11:35 AM
from what i've read so far, i'd go 06. sounds like a much improved bike ( tho i live the 05 looks better)
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posted December 21, 2005 12:32 PM
05 hands down.
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posted December 21, 2005 12:40 PM
get an 05 and 06 and have the best of both worlds
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posted December 21, 2005 12:41 PM
i dont know what to dobecause I love my 05 soooooooooooooooo much
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posted December 21, 2005 02:08 PM
 Edited By: worm~hole on 21 Dec 2005 14:10
....if it were me, I'd ask myself : "Would my true sportbike riding skill level even know the difference?"....then save myself some cash and use the difference to take my new '05 to a track day session or two.... 
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posted December 21, 2005 08:09 PM
Take the stretch and get the ' 06, you wont be sorry
I'll take an ' 06 thank you!!!
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posted December 21, 2005 09:38 PM
I'd get the '06... sounds like they've succeeded in adding some worthwhile refinement and that is the hardest thing to add oneself, particularly when much if it comes from tweaks like different cylinder head angle, changing the alternator, moving the steering head, and so forth.
Not that I truly believe the difference is likely to be gigantic, but why not enjoy it, if in the position of being able to pick either.
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posted December 21, 2005 09:46 PM
Edited By: gunner on 21 Dec 2005 21:46
Well, I'm unrefined myself so I'll stick to the unrefined 05. If it's possible I will put the 06 upper and lower on my 05. That's about all I like about the 06. Not the factory lower with the huge hole in the bottom.
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posted December 22, 2005 12:57 AM
-06.
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posted December 22, 2005 06:21 AM
facts are thatnone of us can ride a Zx10R to its fullest potiential.....why spend theextra money on a 06? buy a 04-05 and put the rest of themoney to a track school or track days....you will be glad you did....
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posted December 22, 2005 01:52 PM
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facts are thatnone of us can ride a Zx10R to its fullest potiential.....why spend theextra money on a 06?
absolutely true of course, but i think that's also the reason why. if the 06 is refined as much as they say, riders will be able to get closer to utilizing the full potential of the bike. less liekly to get pitched off too.
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posted December 22, 2005 03:47 PM
I would disagree with some that imply not having the riding skills of a AMA racer makes it to where few could tell the difference and a '05 would be more than enough for most riders. As a matter of fact, I agree with frEEk and believe that it is because of the very lack of "top tier" skills, a '06 would be a far better choice.
Being a more refined and balanced version of what was already a great bike makes it a far less intimidating beast to try and master. The "rough edges" of the earlier models take a little time to get used to (notice, I didn't say "master"). Spending less time dealing with that would just allow that much more time on refining one's riding skills.
For a rider like myself, that is more of a "poser" than a "performer", I know I would definitely benefit from the smother power delivery and improved braking. Even if the suspension improvements for '06 were just "minor", the combination of that and the better braking would have saved me $$$$ in what I had to do to my '04 to even it get close to what the '06 is said to have.
I look at it the same way as I did the A ('00-'01) and B ('02-'05) models of the 12R. Though differences between the '01 and '02 models might be viewed as "minimal" or "cosmetic", when I rode a '02, the difference was like night and day. I could have spent bags of money on my '00 and it would not have mattered. I even put a B model seat on mine, which helped a lot. All the same, it was never quite a confidence inspiring as the '02 was.
I'd figure it will be similar with the '06 vs. the '05 10R.
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posted December 22, 2005 04:01 PM
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facts are thatnone of us can ride a Zx10R to its fullest potiential.....why spend theextra money on a 06? buy a 04-05 and put the rest of themoney to a track school or track days....you will be glad you did....
Speak for yourself there Mr. Slowpoke..... 
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posted December 22, 2005 06:55 PM
I was speaking for you there KB....we all know yer too skeered to show yourself at the DG rally as that you dont want a bunch of good ole boys handing you your ass at the gap.....or on the Cherohola.....its ok KB we understand, yer SKEERED.....its ok.......sissy ! ! ! !
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posted December 22, 2005 06:55 PM
While I dont agree with Freek and Red, I can see their POV.....valid points.....
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posted December 22, 2005 07:48 PM
It is entirely possible that there are some (though not you) who could hand me my ass on the street. But they are located in SoCal; not in "good ole boys" country.
Now listen up here fast guy - remember your history, the "sissy" here is actually XL. Remember I said may times that I would pay for the trip for us to come out there, if he supplied the bikes. It has to be his bikes, because there is always a good chance that I could throw-it-away. And of course I don't want to wreck any of my own bikes; only his or someone elses.... He's the one who's as slow as they get. My god, he should have his motorcycle license revoked. He's such a spode.....
Anyway, back to the plot.... I agree with Freek, Red and your POV's. There really is no wrong answer. From an open bike point of view, if someone could save $1000's of dollars, and put that to track time, tires, suspension tuning, etc., I would recommend the 04-05 as well. What primarily will hold someone back on most open class bikes is the intimidation of power delivery, coupled with weight and short wheel bases. Improvements will help on the '06, whether that be suspension or hp delivery, no argument about that. But.... Those improvements are only relative to the point of how you really, truly can exploite them. It can be difficult to draw out a completely honest answer from someone about if they are riding the bike within the performance and design areas that the bike was made for. I ride with some guys who feel they are going really fast. Well.... again, fast to one is slow to another. I can guarentee you that they would be "faster" on a 600. They insist on being on an open classer, and the brute power, weight, etc, is what holds back the learning/improvement curve for them. They all can pull the trigger in a straight line, but when it comes to puttin a set of corners together..... But that's not to say the slower rider is a spode (not like XL. ). My thought is that we really have to discuss both as different subjects; rider level, bike potential.
You can compare it to top flight level riders and back it down from there. I think honestly, that's where the comparo/baseline needs to be established. Because that is the base starting point of the debate on what the bike's potential is. So take someone like Doug (Chandler). Will Doug turn night and day lap time differences on a sorted '06 compared to a sorted '05? Actually, I'll give him a buzz and see if he did. Not sure he would, but I haven't really read about lap time comparos against both years. Again, I'm talking "night and day". 2 seconds or more.
Anyway, If those improvements are applied and your comfort level increases to the point of lap times coming down a few seconds and/or you being more comfortable going faster on the street, cool. Only you as a rider within your comfort zone can answer that. But what were those lap times in the first place? Or what was your pace on the street in the first place? Perhaps you are still getting left behind in both venues. Regardless, if those improvments on the new bike make you better, then that's the right choice. But with a little tweaking and more experience, perhaps you could get those extra seconds anyway on the old bike. Who knows..... And again, hard to find fault in either.
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posted December 23, 2005 02:29 AM
Very long winded : ) but I definitely agree with KB in this case. On my 04 I have continually gotten better(than on my 01 GSXR 750) through constant riding and track days and schools, and I believe there is definitely more to come. Having said that I aslo am not one of those people that have to have the latest and greatest bikes on the planet, and mine is fantastic now anyway. I believe that it is a personal choice, and that everybody in here will have some varing opinion as to which one to choose. My .02 is to buy whichever lights your particular fire and go from there.
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posted December 23, 2005 05:18 AM
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Perhaps you are still getting left behind in both venues.
I resemble that remark.
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posted December 23, 2005 05:20 AM
Well thanks everyone now I have NO clue what to do?
I thought I was confused befor know ............ I ................
can't even think straight.
WHAT TO DO? WHAT TO DO?
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posted December 23, 2005 05:23 AM
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It is entirely possible that there are some (though not you) who could hand me my ass on the street. But they are located in SoCal; not in "good ole boys" country.
Spoken like a true WUSS!
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posted December 23, 2005 07:25 AM
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posted December 23, 2005 07:26 AM
he is still skeered....takes a really big man to hide behind his computer and woof shit.....step up or step off there KB.....
good points though on the 05 vs. 06 I just believe for an average rider the money they save buying an 05 they could do a few trackdays and then be faster and more expierenced doing so......JMO.....I am refering to an average rider, not the Doug Chandlers of the world....
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