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posted December 17, 2005 02:50 PM
For 8 million my guess would be at least 50% yellow.
  
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posted December 19, 2005 09:52 PM
Update: according to a short article in the latest Roadracing World, a few weeks out of date and reflecting a time period of a few weeks ago, Harald Eckl was quoted as saying even with the possibility of Kawasaki sponsorship, he expected the bikes to stay all green as such was of too great public relations value for Kawasaki to give up.
So, given that statement, I take back my "at least 50% yellow" thought. It could well be that Kawasaki would insist on yellow being less than 50%. Though personally IMO, an equal split between green and yellow could look excellent and would be nothing to feel "compromised" about,nor would it lose corporate value. That much green would still completely plainly announce "Kawasaki." But that is just one opinion.
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posted December 20, 2005 02:20 AM
odd that...
Chris Walker said in WSB that Kawasaki preferred they run with yellow rather than green, when the PSG1 team he rides for went to Kawasaki about running a green/yellow combo...apparently the Big K wanted to diversify the brand a little - but that was WSB , and not top flight MotoGP
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posted December 20, 2005 09:29 AM
www.superbikeplanet.com reports Camel going home...
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posted December 20, 2005 09:36 AM
http://www.crash.net/uk/en/news_view.asp?cid=6&nid=123432&apn=1
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posted December 20, 2005 09:50 AM
Eurosport confirms same story as crash.net as above - Camel no longer backing Biaggi:
http://www.eurosport.com/home/pages/v4/l0/s39/e11740/sport_lng0_spo39_evt11740_sto805168.shtml
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posted December 20, 2005 12:08 PM
 Edited By: trenace on 20 Dec 2005 12:10
Well, that's the end of the story then.
$8 million dollars per year net down the toilet, a better chance of a Kawasaki contending for the lead sometimes (as opposed to almost never) going down the toilet, a near-certainty of Kawasaki collecting more points in the championship and therefore having a better chance of beating Suzuki again and perhaps overtaking Ducati also going down the toilet, all for NO good reason, nothing better than that Bridgestone "already planned" how many tires they wanted to make. Brilliant.
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posted December 20, 2005 01:15 PM
actually I read all the articles again and it seems like all Camel is saying is that it's not going with Sito Pons and not gonig with Honda.....doesn't really say it's out of MotoGP....
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posted December 20, 2005 01:31 PM
Edited By: trenace on 20 Dec 2005 14:02
The link shortcircuit posted does say that the Kawasaki deal is ruled out (due to Bridgestone) and Honda and Yamaha already ruled themselves out. It does cite Suzuki or Tech 3 Yamaha as possibilities, but Suzuki already was asked and said no and I don't think anyone else thinks Tech 3 is a real possibility either.
No Kawasaki ride due to Brigestone's refusal to supply tires, no ride for Biaggi, no $$$$$$ from Camel, that's the equation.
It does sound as if it's hypothetically possible that Camel might do some sponsorship, sans Biaggi, of those other teams but I would bet you that it would be for far less money. For whatever reason, Camel felt they had a star promoting them with Biaggi (apparently, he has been so considered in Italy at least for a long time.) A no-name rider on a no-hope team (Suzuki is behind Kawasaki in MotoGP) they would not pay that kind of money for, one wouldn't think.
Biaggi, for all the talk of "lackluster season," was on camera for quite a bit of time this season.
With I think the sole exception one KR Jr rain ride, Suzuki and Tech 3 riders were not on screen for more than probably a few seconds GRAND TOTAL all season.
That's not worth paying big sponsorship bucks for.
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posted December 20, 2005 01:32 PM
Edited By: kz2zx on 20 Dec 2005 13:41
Looks like Camel is DONE with Honda over the whole affair, also:
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=24711
More text of the press release quoted in the article above.
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posted December 20, 2005 02:19 PM
What a letdown. Oh well...back to the usual of seeing the zxr on tv for 2 seconds in the backgound at the start of the race.
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posted December 20, 2005 03:24 PM
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posted December 20, 2005 04:05 PM
The Camel announcement clearly spells the end of the Camel / Sito Pons / Honda relationship. But some industry insiders still seem to think that Biaggi is not entirely finished. A Kawasaki deal does not seem likely to happen but it still may have an outside chance.
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posted December 20, 2005 04:10 PM
A lot of times people don't click on links provided (I'm not saying whether you did or didn't yourself, as I do not know. It's possible your opinion is despite the article.)
In any case for clarity, the article shortcircuit provided the link to reads:
Biaggi loses Camel support
With Telefonica already leaving MotoGP due to Dani Pedrosa's decision to join the Repsol Honda team next year, the sport now looks set to lose star rider Max Biaggi following the conflict between Honda and the Italian rider.
Biaggi's alledged comments that the HRC team has sabotaged his machine led to high-level staff ruling that the Emperor would never ride a RCV again, both in the factory and other satellite teams - a veto that Camel described as 'unjustified'.
Attempts to find seat at both Yamaha and Ducati were blocked, citing their unwillingness to work with the four-time 250cc champion, while rides at Suzuki and Kawasaki were ruled out by Bridgestone's decision not to supply the teams with a third set of tyres.
"We put considerable energy and great determination into the MotoGP project with Max, even when it became quite clear that this could not be done with Honda, but in the end it proved impossible," commented Mr. Roberto Zanni, President of Japan Tobacco International Europe
"The obstacles we found ourselves up against were various, decisive and, in a sense, inexplicable," he fumed. "I thank all our riders and, in particular, Max Biaggi, whom I would have liked to see back on the track with us."
The company have therefor ended all relationships in MotoGP with Honda and with the Pons team, but could still remain in the sport with either Suzuki or the Tech 3 Yamaha team.
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posted December 20, 2005 09:26 PM
did you read the last line in your post?
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posted December 20, 2005 09:28 PM
Edited By: trenace on 20 Dec 2005 21:45
Yes I did, but I had also pointed out the reasoning for why it doesn't seem to make sense that Camel would put nearly the same money into either of those Biaggi-less, any-kind-of-star-less propositions regarding teams that have been finishing behind Kawasaki; and neither hypothetical case, even if actualized, would do us Kawasaki guys any good anyhow.
Sponsors pay big bucks for rides that are going to be on camera significant amounts of time, are going to get magazine photos, the riders are going to have magazine interviews, the commentators are going to be talking about them, etc. In other words, rides that give exposure for them. None of this is true for Tech 3 Yamaha or for Suzuki.
So if sponsored, I'd bet you that it would be for a small fraction of the money. Those teams simply can't command more and aren't worth it commercially. As far back as Kawasaki has been finishing (Shinya Nakano was 10th in points for the season) those teams are even further back, even MORE rarely seen on camera. Would you pay millions to be seen, in the background only at that, for a few seconds total for the year?
In any case, the general take is that Camel is gone, but yes hypothetically they might sponsor one of these way-back teams for way less money, but even if so that does us no good.
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posted December 20, 2005 09:39 PM
Also,
MotoGP: Camel Gone, Biaggi Exiled
12/20/2005
Courtesy of Camel
The Max Biaggi saga continues, with steadfast sponsor Camel announcing that it is pulling up stakes and ditching MotoGP because no one is willing to give its favorite a bike. Now the pariah, Biaggi, having been blackballed by Honda and in turn every other manufacturer, seems to be at the end of his rope. The following press release is from Camel.
Over the last three years, Camel together with Honda and the Honda Pons Team have achieved many successes in the premier class of the World Road Racing Championship. However, recent differences of opinion with the Japanese manufacturer concerning the choice of riders has meant that the 2006 project, in which Max Biaggi was planned to ride for the Camel team, has not been able to take off.
Japan Tobacco International, proprietor of the Camel brand, considers the veto against the rider as unjustified from many points of view, and has thus decided to break off relationships in MotoGP with Honda and with the Pons team.
Since the last world championship race, a number of opportunities with other manufacturers were examined and negotiations started to make the project with Max Biaggi a reality. Although carried out with great determination, none of these came to fruition and it has become apparent that this objective simply cannot be achieved.
In order to ensure continuity of the strategy for the Camel brand, JT International is thus considering a series of alternatives.
"We put considerable energy and great determination into the MotoGP project with Max, even when it became quite clear that this could not be done with Honda," commented Mr. Roberto Zanni, President of Japan Tobacco International Europe, "but in the end it proved impossible. The obstacles we found ourselves up against were various, decisive and, in a sense, inexplicable. It seems that the sporting spirit, which has always been part of motorcycle racing and which has given the public its great passion for this sport, had suddenly disappeared. It is this passion for sport which, on the contrary, remains a driving force for our Group, the philosophy on which we have based all our activities in the world of motorsport.
"I should like to express my sincere gratitude to all those who have contributed to our success in our first three years in the MotoGP," continued Mr. Roberto Zanni, "my thanks go to Honda and to Sito Pons, the owner of the team flying the Camel colours. I thank all our riders and, in particular, Max Biaggi, whom I would have liked to see back on the track with us. Our successes and the excitement we have shared have been, and still are an enormous incitement for our Group. They are landmarks in the history of Camel's involvement in the world of racing and, precisely for this reason, they must continue."
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posted December 23, 2005 10:38 AM
And now for something completely different....
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2005/Dec/tb/051223.htm
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posted December 25, 2005 06:11 PM
I'm confused. I can't understand the antipathy towards Biaggi relative to his antics. Any publicity is good publicity. The more provocative the better. Stupid fucks are selling motorcycles, tires, butts, beer, and ass-enhancing denim, not Ladies Home Journal subscriptions. On top of that they walk away from a guy that can podium a competitive bike at any given race? Wow. Half the fun is in the controversial whackos like Mad Max. No wonder Honda builds boring bikes. Honda is the Japanese translation of "yawn."
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