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posted December 01, 2005 12:55 PM
Max Biaggi
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posted December 01, 2005 01:26 PM
TBH i think he could bring some real results, Nakano and Max get along as well as Max and anyone else. the big question is how much he thinks he's worth? And a yellow and green ZXRR what are they thinking? 
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posted December 01, 2005 01:27 PM
Look here---->>> http://www.roadracerx.com/news/news113005_7.html
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posted December 01, 2005 01:33 PM
Hmmmm.....
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posted December 01, 2005 01:42 PM
Eurosport seem to thinks it's more than a rumour:
http://www.eurosport.com/home/pages/v4/l0/s39/e11740/sport_lng0_spo39_evt11740_sto796223.shtml
There's pro's & con's: Camel money & Max's experience against his bad attitude towards previous teams. The team seem to favour ex-250 GP riders at the moment, so with a shut-up clause in the contract Max might even click with the team. Anyway he's upset the other teams he's been in so this is probably his last chance to make something in MotoGP. Whether or not he'll blow it is another matter. There's no doubting he can race as well as anyone else when he's on it.
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posted December 01, 2005 01:47 PM
Clickable link:
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posted December 01, 2005 02:02 PM
If a Honda couldn't carry the little pricks EGO what makes you think a Kawi can. If I was Nakano and he became my teammate that would be grounds for breech of contract.
The Guy is a has been! if Kawi wanted some talent that didn't have his head up his ASS they should have looked at Bayliss when they had the chance a much better option in my opinion.
He is not noted as a development rider and this is what Kawasaki needs.............but Money talks and Bullshit walks he's living proof.
If you have ever seen the mans antics at the track you would understand the comments above..............lets just hope it's a rumour!
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posted December 01, 2005 03:37 PM
I agree FP but if by chance he developes the zzr all the better for the future of kwaka.
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posted December 01, 2005 04:23 PM
 Edited By: trenace on 1 Dec 2005 17:05
It has been said a number of times that Biaggi largely handed a developed M1 over to Rossi, from what had been a dog. Yes, there were further improvements from Rossi and Burgess, this is not disputed, but it's widely held that Biaggi took it a long way and gave the latter two quite the head start in development. Enabling for example Rossi to win his very first race with Yamaha despite Honda hanging on to him till the very last second, as opposed to having plenty of time to develop it himself.
Not saying Biaggi's as good a development rider as Rossi or for that matter Gibernau, but he might be better than Nakano. We have little clues really as to how good a development rider Nakano may or may not be, and IMO, what clues there are, suggest nothing much.
What the hell, Kawasaki's being offered, according to the article I posted yesterday, 8 million Pounds to run the guy, which is nearly 14 million dollars... even if he got paid the 3 million Pounds he wants, which Kawasaki says they will not allow that big a cut, that would still be 5 million Pounds net or 8.6 million dollars to run the guy... even if he does no better than Nakano, taking in that kind of money is not bad. However I will not be surprised if he does better than Nakano and dePuniet.
Actually his style may be very suited to the ZX-RR, as he is a high-cornering-speed guy and that apparently is what the ZX-RR needs, or at least versions till now have needed. The ZX-RR also seems to do well with having a planted, trustworthy front end, which apparently is something Biaggi is more in need of, and has more trouble when it's not the case, than some other top riders (and was his downfall on the Honda.)
So as long as he doesn't bitch about the bike, I'm for it. And according to the article I posted earlier, Kawasaki is going to be extremely firm about that (for understandable cause.)
If nothing else it will answer a lot of questions about how good the ZX-RR is or isn't and also how good Nakano is or isn't, because Biaggi's performance is pretty much a known factor across a season though not necessarily race-to-race. He's an often-good-for-podium, should-finish-in-the-top-five-for-points guy given a competitive bike. If the Kawasaki still rarely finishes even close to podium and still only about 10th in points for the season then it's the bike. Or if alternately Biaggi podiums often on it, well, not only does that answer some questions but it's also a good outcome, well worth signing him (especially since Kawasaki is being paid to do it, rather than having to pay to do it.)
BTW, I guess I need to quit posting on the Sportbike forum -- I ought to post MotoGP stuff on the ZX-10R forum if anyone is going to read it or respond to it...
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posted December 01, 2005 04:59 PM
having a funny feeling that Max will be competitive on the Kawa and he will sing praises of the ZXRR....either that or I bleed green so badly my imagination has gone into overdrive...
well...The 06 ZXRR prototype is apparently an all new bike - new chassis, swingarm, motor, power delivery.... let's hope Bridgestone steps it up as well
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posted December 01, 2005 05:30 PM
T you put up a good argument and no matter what way you look at it he is at the end of his GP career, could this mean he will pull his head in and give it his all? Will it finally show wheather it is the bike or the rider?
Can Kawasaki keep a lid on his Ego? No disagreeing with the money input if it really is the situation could help the development and if the 06 model is an all new bike things should be even for each in the team.
Kawasaki as a factory entity is far more ridgid and conservative than the other Japanese teams in how the development of a bike is approached and what can be done and in what time frame just ask Garry McCoy how it works!
Nothing would make me happier if I am totally wrong on this with Biaggi he may just spur the other two on to a higher level as its a fine line between a good rider and a great rider that has the confidence in his bike to take it to the limit.
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posted December 01, 2005 05:37 PM
Edited By: trenace on 1 Dec 2005 17:41
Absolutely. I think it's a lot like other sports, where for example no runner could break the 4 minute mile, it was humanly impossible... till someone did it and then suddenly many guys could do it and soon by a pretty good margin.
If Shinya sees Max, on the same bike, turning a lap 1.0 second faster than his own best, this is going to drive him to a new level, barriers will be broken, he'll know that level of speed is not impossible with the bike, whereas what you think is impossible is a barrier even if technically it doesn't have to be. So he could soon be doing it himself too. Absolutely I think you have these three guys on the team, they are going to be pushing each other to better levels, whereas that was not the case having Nakano and Hofmann. Nakano no doubt helped push Hofmann some but to no avail, and certainly Hofmann couldn't inspire Nakano to new achievements.
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posted December 01, 2005 06:08 PM
Roll on 06 I still have no doubt the field will be fighting for second place at best.
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posted December 01, 2005 06:12 PM
He better realize that Kawi has blessed him with this opportunity and not the other way around.
I just can't imagine the amount of noise that wanker is gonna make during the pre-season and then again during the regular season and I'm sure the ever-full bag-O-excuses will be along shortly to add to his "colorful" livery.
I'm just hopin he gets to the business of what he does best - RIDE!
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posted December 01, 2005 08:41 PM
Amazing how guys that aren't fit to carry Biaggi's dirty underwear can call him names and denigrate his talents. He may not be the best, he may have a huge ego, but he's close enough to the front to keep it in sight. Anyone competing against Rossi starts to look like an also ran, a has been, whatever. He won as many races (0) as Gibernau this year, and finished ahead of him in points. Does Gibernau suck? Try to keep this shit in pespective.
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posted December 01, 2005 09:57 PM
Edited By: k bryant on 1 Dec 2005 21:58
All the best have huge Egos. Some keep them in check better than others. Biaggi is a huge talent. He's a 4x world champion and won 13 500/Motogp races. Hell yes KMC should snag him in a heartbeat. The sport would be worse off without him. It will extremely exciting to see him on the Kawasaki. Let the show begin! 
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posted December 01, 2005 10:55 PM
Bo, ever spoken to the guys that race against him? When you can't keep your ego in check and endanger your fellow competitors with your antics and intimidation its time to move on. Half the race is won before the bikes get on the track and Rossi is the master at the mind games but do you see him pull Biaggi's stunts?
I have seen instances first hand at the races and spoken with riders who have to race with him, try getting shunted from behind and sent off before the 1st corner out cold ( Bayliss PI 04 ) or just ask Hayden what its like to have your bars clipped at 300 kmh as the prick passes then brakes and upsets your last qualifying run.
It was hilarious to watch Hayden chase him around the track only to see Biaggi scream into the pits race out the back and lock himself in his trailer hiding from Hayden who was ready to kill him.
When you race at this level their is a rule that all must abide by "BE PROFESSIONAL" yours and your fellow riders lives depend on it leave your petty squabbles in the pits, ask any of the riders who have raced with Biaggi for any length of time exacty what they think of his on track antics.
I donot diminish any of his career accomplishments but like some of the other riders still going around are they their because of their talent or their financial backers that support them.
Bottom line Moto GP cost big bucks and money talks but this doesn't make you the best man for the job!
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posted December 02, 2005 09:45 AM
how much faster do you think Max can be on the RR than Nakano ? 0.3 secs ? 0.6 secs ? we are constantly 1-1.2 secs from the race lap times....if Max can do 1 sec. faster....then RR could definitely see podium a few times....
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posted December 02, 2005 12:58 PM
I am no Max fan (because I am a Rossi fan) BUT if Max were to hop on a Kwak I just may have to rethink my priorities. I think Max is a huge talent, there is just something about the Honda that he can't deal with. He did quite well on the Yamaha. Just the idea that he is without a ride currently may just remind him that it is time to keep the ego in check. Nakano seems to consistently ride in 10th place. I would think Max could easily do top 5 if he put his mind to it. I would love to see him fight with the leaders again. Just because he is an entertaining SOB.
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posted December 02, 2005 02:19 PM
For some reason, I don't think the deal with Max will happen...but it would be nice to watch a moto GP and actually see a kawasaki on screen for more than 2 seconds.
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posted December 02, 2005 05:23 PM
Edited By: trenace on 2 Dec 2005 17:24
quote:
how much faster do you think Max can be on the RR than Nakano ? 0.3 secs ? 0.6 secs ? we are constantly 1-1.2 secs from the race lap times....if Max can do 1 sec. faster....then RR could definitely see podium a few times....
I don't know, and don't even know he will be faster... but looking at the fields of both say Hondas and Yamahas over the season, there's nothing unusual about say Melandri or Hayden being 1.0 sec faster than Tamada, or Rossi being 1.0 sec faster than Edwards.
So that much difference between riders on about the same machine is indeed possible. Will it be the case here? Dunno but as you say, if it is the case...
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posted December 02, 2005 11:16 PM
The difference between a dangerous asshole and an aggressive competitor can be hard to pin down. How many Rossi fans took offense when he punted Gibernau off the track? Anybody think Gibernau had nice things to say about Rossi after the incident? Have you read much about Rossi's reaction to negative press? I'm not saying Rossi's antics are comparable to Biaggi's. Just that perspective makes all the difference. Guys like Biaggi have more fast in their fingernail clippings than I have in my whole body. I respect fast.
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posted December 04, 2005 10:41 PM
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posted December 04, 2005 10:47 PM
Though the earlier articles had said that Camel and Biaggi would be accepting Kawasaki's offer -- or not -- by Friday, I have not been able to find any information since then, other than a report of Biaggi saying he should be able to say something by Dec 8 or 9.
Anyone else seen anything?
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posted December 05, 2005 03:52 AM
if Kawi wanted new talent to push the ZXRR over the top and make it more competitive, they should have gotten Danny Pedrosa....He is the next pest thing to Rossi. And he is a very straight shooter on the track.
I dont think Max is what the Kawi MotoGP team needs right now, he will be more of a headache than he is worth.....IMO
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