timsterc
Novice Class
Posts: 71
|
posted September 30, 2005 01:32 AM
Oh dear Lord, why ????
Why on god's green earth did KHI deem the Dunlop Sportmax 218s suitable for the 10R?
They are possibly the worst tyres (sorry about the spelling, I'm English) I have ever ridden on.
Anyone got any votes for Bridgstones or Pirrelis?
____________
Shiney side up,
Sticky side down.
;o)
      
|
chriscollins
Novice Class
Posts: 91
|
posted September 30, 2005 03:56 AM
in my opinion they are better than 208's once they get warmed up. my 208's spin all the time even during straight line acceleration. the 218's spin bad when cold I mean you really have to be careful but after they warm they hook hard. Also over the years i have noticed once you do a killer burn out on a 208 its ruined. Ive never done a burn out on the 218's so this could be your problem.
|
thonczarenko
Novice Class
Posts: 61
|
posted September 30, 2005 06:10 AM
I hear the Pilot Powers are quite good!
____________
Far Beyond Driven
|
TedG
Moderator
Posts: 8222
|
posted September 30, 2005 07:12 AM
The reason they put them on is when you replace them with Pilot Powers you will understand how truly crummy Dunlops are.
____________
Ted
2000 Green ZX12 sold
The fast color!!
Green 2005 ZX10R
2009 Concours Black ABS
|
Evander
Expert Class
Posts: 130
|
posted September 30, 2005 07:46 AM
BT-014 get my vote.
____________
It's not the bike, it's the rider.
|
OutsiderZX12R
Zone Head
Street Racer
Posts: 841
|
posted September 30, 2005 09:03 AM
D207's suck just as bad...
____________
OutsiderZX12R
2000 ZX12R-A1
|
Hells Dark Lord
Needs a life
living life, and loving it.
Posts: 7981
|
posted September 30, 2005 12:13 PM
Pilot Pwers....BT 014s or the Metzler M1......
____________
When in doubt, lean farther and go faster....
|
k bryant
Needs a job
Sponsor
Posts: 2911
|
posted September 30, 2005 03:41 PM
Threads like this are definetly interesting. Plenty of passionate opinions on tires in general from all levels of riders. Tires companies gotta love it.
Lot's of good choices for sticky and/or "better" tires than OEM. But I just don't' get the bum rap on the 218's. I think they are an excellent street tire. I've ridden them on the track as well and for a "street" tire, they really aren't bad at all.
|
mattie_k
Zone Head
hill-billy!
Posts: 545
|
posted September 30, 2005 04:42 PM
I know of a couple of riders in my area (canada, it's cold up here sometimes) blaming the 218's for lowsiding. Some crap about not sticking when cold, but really, just take more time to ensure that they are warm before you start to rail! I have noticed that all dunlops tend to slide more though, which can catch you off guard!
____________
God is an imaginary friend for grown-ups.
|
Hells Dark Lord
Needs a life
living life, and loving it.
Posts: 7981
|
posted September 30, 2005 04:46 PM
man Kerry i woudlnt have dreamed about putting the stock 218's on teh track......tehy would slide around on me on the street at only a fraction of what I woudl ride on the track.....I ran the stock Bridgestones on my ZX6RR on the track to burn them off, and actually turned some of my fastest laptimes on Roebling Road(1:22) with them. However they were slideing all over the place.
Running the stock 218's on the track to me would have been a very scary ordeal for me, I had NO faith in them at all. I tried all different kinds of air pressures, and tinkered with my suspension a bit...but I never could get the hook up with them, and I had NO confidence in them.......
____________
When in doubt, lean farther and go faster....
|
beansbaxter
Needs a life
Posts: 5911
|
posted September 30, 2005 04:57 PM
bridgestone's bt018's rule!!
|
k bryant
Needs a job
Sponsor
Posts: 2911
|
posted September 30, 2005 05:56 PM
Gotta adapt your style to changing conditions there Jimbo.
When I'm testing/trying certain brands of bikes that have certain brands of stock tires, my riding style changes to a more "point & shoot" pattern. In deep and fairly tight, flick without applying major power, straighten up and exit hard. If you do this on "street" tires, you can really put in some decent lap times once the tires are fairly warm. Of course they get hot and greasy fairly quickly. So again, you make adjustments, let them cool a little, and deal with it. This style also works really well on worn out race tires also. I'm just really comfortable with the amount of traction available and/or the feel/sliding of OEM tires. Adjusting your style and adapting just allows you to exploit what you have at the time. I just don't give up on them and simply accept them for what they give. Obviously on the street, the speeds are much lower so the safety margin is greater (than on the track) for what the what OEM tires provide. For me, being able to go fast on OEM tires, just helps me that much more when I get stickies on there.
Sliding either the front ,rear, or both is just something that you can't really make people feel comfortable with across the board. Some are really comfy with it, some kinda, some not-at-all. Training on the dirt with XR100's and sliding around gives you some idea and can really help. And there's so many different definitions of "sliding". I've listened in on many a conversation with riders on the street and track who talk about "sliding and leaving blackies" everywhere. Well, when I was with them, I sure never saw so much as a twitch.  Some people can get a little twitch, and all of a sudden they were "sliding it everywhere" and "backing it in".... It's really pretty funny. On the street, it's easy enough to watch and see. On the track, it's easy enough to gauge by the lap times.
Last year I did a full track day on a F4I that was box stock down to the OEM tires. I had a great day switching back and forth between several other bikes that were set up for trackdays. Honestly, the only thing that bothered me was some of the other bikes had reverse shifting (which I use), but the F4I was standard. Got myself in trouble a few times....
I don't really have too much of a preferance on tire brands. I really think they all work well. I seem to lean towards both Dunlop and Bridgestone more than not. But I really like the Pirelli and Michelin as well on certain bikes.
|
|
|
HOME
NEW TOPIC