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posted May 21, 2005 07:48 PM
Finally broken in
Well i rode the thing 200 miles Friday night and that brought it up to 1000. So today I changed the oil and filter and took it for a 220 mile ride but this time I was able to wring it out.
Handling:
Well the handling lives up to the hype, this thing is so easy to ride, I purposely overcooked a corner ( in a place I could run wide without getting run over) just to see where the edge was, It was no sweat to get it under control and hammer it. Unreal. Dunlop tires suck, a couple of hairy slides without even trying. Fun but slows you down. I truly love riding this thing in the twistys. I went over a place called Monitor Pass and they had just filled the cracks with tar and it was a mess. The bike would squirm on each and every one of the repairs. The perpendicular ones were no sweat, but the parallel ones were a bit hairy. I can definitely ride this bike faster on the tight stuff.
Power
This thing ain't no 12, It is fast but to me it doesn't live up to the hype. At least not at this altitude. But if I got into a race with a 12, I would get my ass waxed. At least that is what the butt dyno is telling me. It seems that the top end punch should be unbelievable, because of the high revving nature of the thing. The punch is good but not that good. The 12 just seems to hurtle you forward and doesn't stop till you hit the rev limiter. Granted there is only 1200 miles on the thing. I tried to get it to come up in second today and it wasn't going to happen. But at the end of the day and about 10 miles from home there is a junction that takes you off old 395 onto the 395 freeway, behind me was a trick Cobra (original style), there must have been a convention today because all in all I saw about 60 of them, Anyway I was doing about 70 and I was pretty sure I was in 2nd and he was coming up fast in the Cobra, I hammered it when he caught up and when it hit about 10 grand the front wheel came up a couple of inches. Promising.
I thought the seat was more comfortable than the 12s but I was mistaken, they are about the same. My ass is sore. Only thing there is no place on the 10 seat that feels any different. At least the 12 had a different feeling when you moved around. The riding position is very good for me, wrists are a bit sore but that will be better when they get stronger and used to riding and the new position. .
All in all a great bike but right now underpowered, I guess the good part is it easier to ride when you don't have any real power other than having to shift all the time. Oh well.
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posted May 21, 2005 11:46 PM
10s are getting better times at the track than 12s, so i'm thinking it should feel more powerful once you really ring it all the way out, but if by "punch" you mean torque, no it won't quite match the 12, tho the numbers are not that far off. glad to hear you're not regreting the switch in any case. it's posts like this that make me think about trading in teh 12 too. fortunately i got no $ and no-one would ever take my 12 as a trade in, so it's not a decision i have to debate 
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posted May 22, 2005 07:11 PM
Took it for another 250 mile jaunt today and went down to about 1000 feet alt. The bike was strong but I still don't know. I am wringing it out in 2nd and sometimes third and it just seems like it takes a long time to wind out. I just love how small and light this thing is. It does seem to be loosening up a bit, and I am hoping it starts getting stronger. I have a funny feeling that foam air filter is holding it back also.
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posted May 22, 2005 07:43 PM
dunno.. all I can say is after watch Pikes Peak today that the Gixxer K5 looks damn fast.... or are we splitting hairs, because a Ducati won? 
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posted May 23, 2005 12:07 AM
1000 miles to break it in? WTF is that about? I was on my third set of tires at 1000 miles.
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posted May 23, 2005 05:48 PM
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1000 miles to break it in? WTF is that about? I was on my third set of tires at 1000 miles.
I'm sure you know better than the engineers and the people who designed the bike. I'm also so sure you have taken apart numerous 10s and measured the wear and did a materials analysis on all the components of the engine  Me, I will take the conservative route and bank on an engine that will outperform and live longer than one that has been flogged. But to each their own.
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posted May 23, 2005 06:03 PM
Bovine..... Ted's no amatuer....lol
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posted May 23, 2005 09:18 PM
Dude, by the time I have 15k miles on a bike it has lost its competitive edge, been crashed a few times, and is generally ready for replacement. I have so much fun in the first 1000 miles (and the second, and the third...) it seems a like a class c felony to piddle around like an ass-fag on the off chance it's the engineering and not the looming threat of some scumbag contingency fee attorney that the long break-in is for. No thanks. I've broken bikes in easy and flogged them silly, and the thrashed bikes are stronger and burn less oil. I call bullshit on easy break-in. It's just cover for the oem in case something got fucked up during manufacture that could maim you if it manifested itself at 180. Prove me wrong.
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posted May 24, 2005 07:07 AM
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Dude, by the time I have 15k miles on a bike it has lost its competitive edge, been crashed a few times, and is generally ready for replacement. I have so much fun in the first 1000 miles (and the second, and the third...) it seems a like a class c felony to piddle around like an ass-fag on the off chance it's the engineering and not the looming threat of some scumbag contingency fee attorney that the long break-in is for. No thanks. I've broken bikes in easy and flogged them silly, and the thrashed bikes are stronger and burn less oil. I call bullshit on easy break-in. It's just cover for the oem in case something got fucked up during manufacture that could maim you if it manifested itself at 180. Prove me wrong.
"Dude, by the time I have 15k miles on a bike it has lost its competitive edge" Gee you think maybe breaking it in might make it last longer?
Well we have heard from the authority on motorcycle safety and procedures. Welcome the rider, tuner, and all around expert of the year. Also I have a feeling trying to prove anything to you would be futile. Ahhh "crashed a few times" here is someone to take advice from. Golf clap everyone.
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posted May 24, 2005 08:54 AM
Thank you. You can go back to waxing your bike. I'm taking mine to Thunderhill.
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posted May 24, 2005 09:06 AM
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Thank you. You can go back to waxing your bike. I'm taking mine to Thunderhill.
You are welcome. And now back to the regularly scheduled program, excuse the hijacking.
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posted May 24, 2005 10:53 AM
So now at 1500 miles. the idle is finally starting to creep up a bit. and the midrange is gently starting to show a bit of muscle. Things are becoming looser.
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posted May 26, 2005 04:40 AM
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This thing ain't no 12, It is fast but to me it doesn't live up to the hype. At least not at this altitude. But if I got into a race with a 12, I would get my ass waxed.
Ted youre right it aint no 12............Its better looking,lighter and more power.
I have run a couple of 12's and took both of them.
How big a boy are you ? I tip the scales at 230 and a second gear wheelie is no problem.
Ted your either a "10 man" or a "12 man" get off the fence man..........just let it go.
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posted May 26, 2005 08:18 AM
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This thing ain't no 12, It is fast but to me it doesn't live up to the hype. At least not at this altitude. But if I got into a race with a 12, I would get my ass waxed.
Ted youre right it aint no 12............Its better looking,lighter and more power.
I have run a couple of 12's and took both of them.
How big a boy are you ? I tip the scales at 230 and a second gear wheelie is no problem.
Ted your either a "10 man" or a "12 man" get off the fence man..........just let it go.
The 10 is THE SIDE TO BE ON.
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First I am a 10 man. Second i weigh 155. Third I am using the butt dyno and that is not the most accurate form of measure, forth I live at high altitude so second gear wheelies are much tougher. fifth everyone is saying it needs to get 2500 on it before ti starts to run good and I only have 1500. So with that being said, I will reserve final judgment until about 3000 miles. You are right it is better looking (more purposeful), light like a feather, and I am hoping more powerful. You forgot better handling.
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posted May 27, 2005 08:28 PM
The saga continues, I now have 1750 miles on the thing and today I took it up to Virginia City and had a ball, Many of the corners are 70, 80 mph (marked 35 and 45) corners and perfect for the 10 in first so you can carry the front out of the corner and to the next.. The 104 limit in first has me bumping into the rev limither but not bad. Remember this is 6000 feet and power is down. But the light front end allows this to be a shitload of fun. The 12 had trouble doing the same thing, it was revving too high and would have trouble wheelieing and carrying enough speed in first.
Anyway I am having more and more fun on this bike. I just wish it would power wheelie in second. Its light weight and small size is unbelievable, The power seems to be coming around with each and every mile.
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posted May 30, 2005 06:58 PM
It will power wheelie in 2nd, but you need to be at about 9k if you want it to be easy.
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posted May 30, 2005 07:45 PM
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It will power wheelie in 2nd, but you need to be at about 9k if you want it to be easy.
At 4500 feet?
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posted May 30, 2005 07:51 PM
Ted. 16T.
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posted May 30, 2005 09:20 PM
I don't think a 16 tooth will help. It is that weak. And then I will be stuck with a slower 1st.
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posted May 31, 2005 07:31 AM
Ongoing report: OK, each morning I go to work I try to get my morning wheelie on the street where my company is located. Gives the locals a thrill. I would do this on the 12 and knew exactly where to loft it and how easy it came up. When I first got the 10 it was much harder to get the thing to come up. I had to be moving much faster and that would shorten the distance I had to get it down and slow. Well it has gotten as easy if not easier than the 12. Like fish has said it need about 2500 miles to start to feel right. It really is coming around.
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posted May 31, 2005 07:54 AM
I used the mototune break-in method and mine is very strong. 2nd gear at 4,500' is not an issue. At Thunderhill I had to short shift out of 14 as 2nd would lift the front without even trying. Stock pipe even. Did you remove the stock mudflap? That will cost you about 15hp. There is a special anti-poser chip in the red reflector. Works off the immobilizer receiver.
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posted May 31, 2005 08:13 AM
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I used the mototune break-in method and mine is very strong. 2nd gear at 4,500' is not an issue. At Thunderhill I had to short shift out of 14 as 2nd would lift the front without even trying. Stock pipe even. Did you remove the stock mudflap? That will cost you about 15hp. There is a special anti-poser chip in the red reflector. Works off the immobilizer receiver.
I am finding your 2nd at 4500' a bit hard to swallow. But I will say this, I did not start running it hard until after 1000 miles. That did put me behind the "loosening up" curve in comparison to you. My 12 did not loosen up till about 4000 miles, but now it is dead strong.
Although I don't agree with your method of break in, it does tend to loosen up early and run strong. Albeit short lived. The good part is mine will eventually loosen up and be just as strong if not stronger, so that gives me hope.Also the mudflap is staying. Everyone takes theirs off, so keeping mine on makes it different. .
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posted May 31, 2005 09:36 AM
Ted, i've always had a hard time with the 2nd gear power wheelies on my 12 too. i've read plenty of people who say that it will do it no prob, but i've never managed to get my 12 to do it. I'm not sure if that means my 12 is so much weaker than others, or (i suspect) people's definitions of a power wheelie differs. to me it means you can bring the thing all the way up (no 6" off the ground BS) with zero clutch. i can't say i've ever bothered bouncing the front when launching a power wheelie either, so maybe that's part of the difference. u may want to clarify all those details before u worry about why your 10 won't do what others are reporting.
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posted May 31, 2005 09:37 AM
oh, plus of ocurse there's the different definitions of "stock" that always have to be calrified too.
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posted May 31, 2005 11:52 AM
frEEk My 12 is the same way, at sea level i could get it so come up in second only if I used a bounce from 1st.. Also on the 12 you had to back off then crack it to get it to come up at alt. At sea level anytime you turned the throttle in 1st it went for the moon. My definition of stock is ...bone.
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