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posted August 08, 2004 07:12 PM
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I just got back from Nashville, I went down there to ride with a couple of buddies from the 12 side of the house. When i got down there I got to talking to Roger about how I HATED the brakes on the 10....I know I am spoiled, I have had SS lines and EBC pads on my other bikes, and these fail to compare. But.....Roger said, lets bleed them....Now my question is this, the bike is BRAND NEW, why would I need to bleed them.....well as it turns out, then needed it BADLY ! ! ! ! We got all kinds of air out of the system. Now I can tolerate them until the addition of SS lines and EBC HH+ pads. I guess its just upseting that a new bike could get shipped to a dealer, prepped by the dealer, and sold to a customer, with some shit like that. Has anyone else had an issue like this on their 10?
So far on this bike I have had a bad fork seal, the front wheel recal, and now air in the brake lines....I am not happy about this. Oh and the bike just went 800 miles on the odometer today. 
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posted August 08, 2004 07:34 PM
Dealer prep does not usually include bleeding the brake lines. I have heard of this happening on suzuki's and Yamaha's too. When we service a bike especially like the 10, most of the time the customer is the first person to ride it because who wants to buy a new high performance bike that has already been ridden by someone else, especially when the break in period is so important. We will ride the bike when the customer asks for us to, but we do not take it apon ourselves to ride their brand new motorcycle around. With any production bike or any other vehicle in its first year there are going to be some kinks to work out but look on the bright side, at least we don't have to worry about grenading our engines like the R1's
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posted August 08, 2004 07:36 PM
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I've had nary a problem.... and I dont know about yer brake issues... all I can say is that IMHO after riding the 12R back to back with the 10R that the stockers feel every bit as strong, if not stronger than my 12R did with EBC + Galfers.... . infact it's one of the reasons I am still running stock pads and lines...
too bad you have a different result... I was quite surprised at how "dialed" the 10R really was "out of the box".
the only answer is for you to sue everyone! 
and I believe dealer prep doesnt include bleeding the brakes on the 10R.. I can confirm that as I have the prep document in the basement...
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posted August 08, 2004 07:41 PM
Getting some amount of air in hydraulic brake lines during transit (Japan to US/warehouse to area dist. center/center to dealer) is not as uncommon as one would think. The amount varies from bike to bike and a massive amount of other factors. The "weed hopper" in the back of the shop that is doing the A&P might check to see if the brakes "function", but it is doubtful that he'd know the difference between "optimum" and just merely working.
Don't really know if I've ever had that problem. I've just got into the habit of bleeding them shortly after getting a new bike home. Wether it needed it or not. It never hurts and can do nothing but improve the braking. At least you didn't have an air bubble in your oil line like I did with my 12R. IMHO, I'd be ticked over the fork seal and like everyone else, I want my wheel, but I wouldn't sweat the air in the brake line. RT is good about catchin' such stuff. The bright side is that it was addressed and it didn't require you having to go to the dealer to get it done.
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posted August 08, 2004 07:52 PM
Mine were minorly soft. Nothing alarming. I bled them and all is good. Definetly not something the dealer would notice at all. More personal feel. That fork seal thing (and obviously the wheel) is kinda a bummer.
On another note - my rear signals from Muzzy were waiting for me when I got back Friday night. Installed them. Now hopefully the front wheel will be in this month so I can start riding again. Hmm.... gonna hafta ride something red if it doesn't come in soon....
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posted August 08, 2004 08:24 PM
Edited By: kz2zx on 8 Aug 2004 21:25
Mine were soft. I thought I had air in the system, but replaced my lines with Galfers on general principles.
I think the difference is fairly dramatic - others may disagree. It's possible I had air in mine before replacement. Dunno.
But, don't get down on the bike. Aside from a front wheel that I bet is fine if I x-rayed it, I have had ZERO problems in 6300 miles.
And, Kerry - if my wheel doesn't come in soon, I will have to wait to ride. I no longer have anything red.
(btw, I got a green 600 from a co-worker selling cheap, real cheap, but it doesn't run yet)
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posted August 08, 2004 11:39 PM
I can't really tell the difference between this bike and my previous (SP1), the brakes on that were pretty good which had Goodridge lines, so ones on the 10 I think are very good, but will go the braided lines deal again.
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Hells Dark Lord
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posted August 09, 2004 02:51 AM
after riding with Roger down in Nashville yesterday, the Goodridge lines are the NEXT thing to go on it.....you can hold the front brake lines in your hands when someonne else squeezes the lever you can feel the line expand.......
I am not down on the bike, I love it. I am just down on KHI for these detail issues. The fork seal has had to leak from the dealers. I trucked it home and it was leaking when I got home with 1 mile on the speedo. The wheel that isnt anyones fault. I think its more precautionary than anything. they got a few bad ones, so to be safe they are replaceing them all. Its the only prudent thing KHI could do.
I set the suspension according to Sport Rider and their recommendations, it worked ok, I had to dial out some preload front and rear, and dial in a couple of clicks of rebound. still rides rough, but handles well. I will fiddle wiht it more at the track on in a few weeks.
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posted August 09, 2004 05:37 AM
Bummer - but it doesn't sound like you are deterred, though.
Bastid - buying a new 10.
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posted August 09, 2004 06:33 AM
The one thing I noticed on my bike as well as scottymintz's is that the coolant is severaly low! I have checked around, all the hoses are connected and I have not seen any type of leak. I don't know what happened, but I saw scotty's and his was worse than mine was before I filled the coolant resevoir. By the way k bryant, I installed my carbon fiber RT1 slip on yesterday, fit an finish are awesome. Nice sound, I just hope it gets a wee bit louder after a few hundred miles...great pipe.
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posted August 09, 2004 07:34 AM
I have a gixxer 1000 that had a bad fork seal out of the box and it's turned out to be the only issue I've had with the bike. Bleeding brakes is your responsibility, like lubing the chain, checking fluid levels, and soaking the clutch plates.
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posted August 09, 2004 07:58 AM
joe... the coolant being severely low is your dealer not correctly completing their PDI.. .the bikes are shipped with a minimun amount of coolant in the system and that's something they are supposed to top up.
HDL... an interesting sidenote.... when I was in Europe I noticed, when I visited a few dealerships, that new bikes came stock with braided lines..
I guess you could write your congressman and complain... chalk it up to the DOT.
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posted August 09, 2004 09:03 AM
I've got into the habit of always re-doing the PDI stuff myself anyway.
Have bled the brakes twice on this one just to make sure,
The 12 had Brembos - I haven't had much complaint with the stock brakes except for initial bite/feel.
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posted August 09, 2004 09:31 AM
Fish antlers, I have no doubt the dealerships don't take the time to prep the bikes properly...that is until they truely fuck something up and someone gets hurt! Lazy bastards!! That what happens when dealerships have hundreds of bikes on the floor, plenty of sales people to sell them and not enough people prepping them.. On a side note, I received my recall letter. Called the dealership and they told me they never heard of it, lying dicks. They told me to call back on Tuesday, I told them I would and futher told them to order my rim while I wait. I may have to take my Sig Sauer .45 in there to talk for me... 
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posted August 09, 2004 09:48 AM
The stock link line is braided/teflon I think. If I ever change lines I'll peel off the prophylactics and have a look. After a R1 with brakes that dragged so bad I didn't need the lever, and a Gixxer 1k that came with cosmetic brakes, the 10r is a dream.
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posted August 09, 2004 06:19 PM
My ZX6Rr with the same setup basically as the 10 had the best stock brakes of any bike I have ridden, then I put the Goodridge SS lines on it and EBC HH+ pads and it was a dream....I guess I am just spoiled with that, and to go back to a stock set up really sucks......but on a good note I went to Nashville this past weekend and rode with Roger a bit, we put about 200 miles on the bikes and that gives me a total of 930 now, so I will have it completely broke in and the Supercorsas on it for the track. I have already got the Scotts steering damper on it, adn the -1 front sprocket is on my desk as I type this, so she should be golden for the track in 2 weeks....I changed the oil last weekend, and will do it again before the track and makes sure she has freash blood in her for the track. I always change the oil just before and just after the track...and this one is a 2 days event.......
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posted August 09, 2004 06:22 PM
BTW... off topic... just wanted to say that I'm glad you're back and in one piece... I know it's off topic, but I do think about it every now and then.
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posted August 09, 2004 06:27 PM
thansk Fish, it means a lot to me....now if we can just get the rest of them back.....
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posted August 09, 2004 06:32 PM
Well... . that's out of my control... that would be a "foreign polivy" issue that you'll have to take up with yer Commander 'n Chief.
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posted August 10, 2004 03:36 AM
fuk my commander and chief.....only reason I will vote for his sorry ass again is that I RELLY dont like Kerry.......but lets not get sidetracked on to that subject.... 
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posted August 10, 2004 07:56 AM
wtf!
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posted August 10, 2004 09:57 AM
not gonna get sidetracked on those yahoo's.....so anywho....Kerry, when ya comming to Deal sto ride with the crew?
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posted August 10, 2004 10:01 AM
First ya don't like me..... Then ya want me to come back & spank (oops) I mean ride with ya guys..... Make up your mind!!!
Man, I don't know..... Luv to. I need to get XL to supply the bikes, get his lazy butt out there with me, and then we'll come out there and show you the "westcoast shuffle"!!!! ..
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posted August 10, 2004 10:10 AM
oh hell we always liked ya Kery, its just we like to give ya shit even more....
I dont know about XL supplying anything, but I got an old 01 ZX6R you can ride......
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posted August 10, 2004 06:39 PM
XL's good fer nutin... all talk and hot air.. . first he blah blahs about how he's comin to sportbikewest... now "oh... no .. I cant go"..
lightweight.
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