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posted June 01, 2004 10:59 AM
Triple clamp bolt torque
what is the correct torque for the top triple bolt....im going to be putting on a dampener tonight....thanks....
   
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posted June 01, 2004 11:52 AM
According to the manual: 58 ft/lbs
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posted June 01, 2004 12:04 PM
are you sure its only 56ftlbs.....that sounds kinda low...i was thinking it was adround 80 or so
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posted June 01, 2004 12:59 PM
Ya know on a lot of moto-x bikes it's less than 20 ft lbs. And you can imagine the force/abuse those guys put on them.... Honestly, if I didn't see that number of 58 ft/lbs in the manual, I'd say it was much higher than imagined.
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posted June 01, 2004 01:28 PM
Actually it is probably less than you think. Particularly at the top bolt. If you over tighten your pinch bolts, you can create pressure on the sliders and severely affect your suspensions ability to work. Check your service manual if you are unsure, but 56 sounds right.
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posted June 01, 2004 01:45 PM
The official Kawasaki ZX-10R Motorcycle Service Manual indicates:
Front Fork Top Plug 23N-m/2.3kgf-m/17ft-lb
Front Fork Clamp Bolts (Upper) 20N-m/2.0kgf-m/14.5ft-lb
Front Fork Clamp Bolts (Lower) 30N-m/3.0kgf-m/22ft-lb
Front Fork Bottom Allen Bolts 23N-m/2.3kgf-m/17ft-lb
Front Axle Clamp Bolts 20N-m/2.0kgf-m/14.5ft-lb
Piston Rod Nut 15N-m/1.5kgf-m/11ft-lb
Hooker 5'10"/135lb/38DD-24-36
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posted June 01, 2004 04:05 PM
So..... Obviously one of you is mistaken.... The 14.5 & 22 sounds more like it. Again, as I noted, can't imagine it being higher than the moto stuff. Guess I'll hafta look for myself to declare a winner!
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posted June 01, 2004 04:07 PM
 Edited By: worm~hole on 1 Jun 2004 17:09
...what...ya'allz don't trust me? 
...inch pounds vs foot pounds...be careful out there! 
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posted June 01, 2004 04:52 PM
12R pilot is right. the steering stem head nut is the nut you will be loosening, and the correct torque is 58 ft-lbs. straight out of the manual.
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posted June 01, 2004 05:08 PM
Edited By: worm~hole on 1 Jun 2004 18:13
...oh, if you're inquiring about the steering stem head nut, then it is indeed 78 N-m/8.0kgf-m/58ft-lb...it says so in chapter 2-14...yaz gotta be really specific about these things...I read what is the correct torque for the top triple bolt....im going to be putting on a dampener tonight....thanks.......its the "triple" in the quiry that I was looking at
...btw...maybe we should as much as possible go by the proper or technical nomeclature of parts we're asking about...it keeps things less confusing 
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posted June 01, 2004 05:22 PM
So then ......how much torque are you going to put on the 38DD's ?
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posted June 01, 2004 05:27 PM
Edited By: worm~hole on 1 Jun 2004 19:36
230lbs of hi-speed-ratchet action
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posted June 01, 2004 06:27 PM
And mystery solved. I thought you mean't the pinch bolts on the triple clamps. Not the Steering Stem Head Nut.
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posted June 04, 2004 04:59 AM
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And mystery solved. I thought you mean't the pinch bolts on the triple clamps. Not the Steering Stem Head Nut.
Kind of hard to mount a steering damper to the pinch bolts don't you think K. Bryant ??
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posted June 04, 2004 06:29 AM
Some dampers require removing the upper clamp. Did you Know That?
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posted June 04, 2004 08:27 AM
Edited By: worm~hole on 4 Jun 2004 09:28
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And mystery solved. I thought you mean't the pinch bolts on the triple clamps. Not the Steering Stem Head Nut.
Kind of hard to mount a steering damper to the pinch bolts don't you think K. Bryant ??
...not kbryant's fuaxpas (if it even was to be considered one on his part...or mine) when the originator of the question didn't use the proper nomenclature of the part he queried about...I, too, thought he was talking about the pinch bolts because he referenced the triple...c'mon, you're probably as much of a perfectionist as some of us are...you'd like it for proper or correct nemenclature of parts to be used when querying information...am I right or am I wrong?...I think that your trying to bust balls now...
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posted June 04, 2004 08:57 AM
Edited By: dket on 4 Jun 2004 09:58
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Some dampers require removing the upper clamp. Did you Know That?
bovinespongiformencephalo, I have not seen any damper that requires removal of any clamp . Your fork tubes would come off . That is not very safe is it ?
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posted June 04, 2004 08:58 AM
indeed he is, and for what i might ask?? 
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posted June 04, 2004 09:00 AM
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Some dampers require removing the upper clamp. Did you Know That?
bovinespongiformencephalo, I have not seen any damper that requires removal of any clamp . Your fork tubes would come off . That is not very safe is it ?
No they wouldn't as they have a bottom triple that is sufficient enough to hold them.
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posted June 04, 2004 09:18 AM
Edited By: dket on 4 Jun 2004 10:22
So when are you taking your top fasteners off ? Please let us all know how your new mod turns out there big daddy .
I am sure all of this is just a simple misunderstanding in words .
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posted June 04, 2004 09:26 AM
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I am sure all of this is just a simple misunderstanding in words .
more than likely.
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posted June 04, 2004 09:35 AM
ok the correct # is 58.......i installed it two days ago.....i rode it for about 50 miles that night...(noticed it poping a little).....that mad me think it might be seating in......so i checked it torque again and it was about 1/8 of a turn off.......so make sure you ride your bike for a while and let the new bolt seat in a little then retorque to 58#............(review)...i have never had a dampener befor......what i noticed is it seems to be less stable at low speeds....but when your going fast and hard it like a whole new bike....no more front end shake.....ever bump i used to hit mad it shake a little....o well all gone now......best 500 i have ever spent for a bike....
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posted June 04, 2004 09:43 AM
good job!
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posted June 04, 2004 03:08 PM
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Some dampers require removing the upper clamp. Did you Know That?
bovinespongiformencephalo, I have not seen any damper that requires removal of any clamp . Your fork tubes would come off . That is not very safe is it ?
It's ok if you put it back on after you install the one piece mounting clamp on the fork tube. Need a picture?
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posted June 04, 2004 03:45 PM
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And mystery solved. I thought you mean't the pinch bolts on the triple clamps. Not the Steering Stem Head Nut.
Kind of hard to mount a steering damper to the pinch bolts don't you think K. Bryant ??
Well.... I don't see anywhere in my replies that I suggested this was going to take place and/or happen. But since you seem to be asking me a question now, I will tell you...
In the 70's we did it frequently. Before steering dampers came as bolt-on kits, we all had to fabricate bracketing. Many of us racing would make brackets that bolted onto the bottom triple clamp pinch bolts and allowed us a pivot point to install our dampers, when combined with a welded- on boss on the frame downtube. We installed exaggerated steering stops to prevent the steering/turning radius of the bars from bottoming out the throw of the damper. It also helped us limit the amount of tank slap we all experienced on our Z1's. We then progressed to removing the bottom triple clamp and drilling a hole in them for a more solid mounting point and a straighter and more reduced arc to the damper plane. As racers, we were innovators at the time trying to come up with solutions nobody else was marketing. Now-a-days, of course I would never recommend this, as the kits are complete and extremely well thought out. But again, I don't see where I ever indicated he would and/or may be installing it on his pinch bolts. That was never his question. But hopefully this answers your question.
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