frEEk
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posted May 05, 2004 08:36 AM
if using clase2death's recommended breakin procedure, please remember to only use olive oil made from humanely raised olives. it just makes me so mad when i hear about how many producers abuse their olives right from the bud. it's horrible! *sniff*
... sorry, just had to get my composure back together. close2death, if you like chicken kabobs, try adding half a chicken OXO cube to your oil mix. it really brings out the aroma!
   
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posted May 05, 2004 08:42 AM
I like the way this thread has evolved. I'm hungry!
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kcadby
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posted May 05, 2004 09:08 AM
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The bike goes 101 MPH in 1st! Forget about MPH during break-in.
What in the hell are YOU smoking??? that makes you think ANY bike will go 100+ in 1st freekin gear!?!?!?
ShowroomStreetBikes anyway...
No offense intended but...
Un-real...
I am impressed as can be that a stock geared ZX12 will go "about 87mph" in 1st...that in itself is STOOpid fast for something that any consumer (with the $$$) can buy/ride if you ask me...
To answer the post though...
I have broken in bikes/motors in both ways with good results...
Never put any miles to speak of on DragBike motors but make 3 or 4 easy passes on them usualy before wicking them up...
We broke-in John's ZX12 (the one I ran 9.0s @ 152mph on STOCK MOTOR) BY THE BOOK (CLOSE to it anyway)...never saw 6k before 500miles...never saw 9K till almost 1,000miles...
So...in my opinion it doesn't "hurt it" to put some miles on it before it gets run/raced...
The ZX10 that I have run on the dyno that is STRONG (160HP) was broken in relatively EASY and was not run on the dyno until it had CLOSE to 1,000 miles...
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posted May 05, 2004 09:35 AM
break it in as you like it as long as you don't break it 
I break it in more or less by the book. Take it up to 6500 rpm every once and a while, do a lot of up and down shifting and no prolonged running at the same revs. It has worked with all my bikes, boring tourers or sportbikes. They have never let me down and I have been all over Europe with a couple of them 
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salsa1
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posted May 05, 2004 09:47 AM
 Edited By: salsa1 on 5 May 2004 10:49
Runninghorn: quit messing around ; lets talk straight. Do it my way or the highway. No technical support to this just do what my contraceptive sponsor advises ;assume I am correct ;your problem is obiouse you do not assume enough.obviously you do not know who I am. BWAHAHAHAHAHA; If this is too technicaly challenging for you do more research.
Correction:Add the olive oil after 2000 miles.(Just my opinion you are not entitled to yours btw)
Have you noticed you take yourself way too serious..
tip:
fill your tires with helium it works to aleviate stress to engine during breakin of tires; and they will last an additional 2,000 miles. You can sue me if not.
Another benefit: reduced gravitational forces will disipate inertially to atmosphere from unsprung weight.( helium is lighter I assume you know that)
Handling becomes unreal;try it.
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frEEk
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posted May 05, 2004 11:56 AM
kcadby, unbelievable as it may seem, the 10 does indeed go a touch over 100mph (160kph) in first at redline.
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close2death
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posted May 05, 2004 12:26 PM
kcadby obviously didn't break his in according to my recomendations
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worm~hole
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posted May 05, 2004 10:46 PM
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The bike goes 101 MPH in 1st! Forget about MPH during break-in.
What in the hell are YOU smoking??? that makes you think ANY bike will go 100+ in 1st freekin gear!?!?!?
ShowroomStreetBikes anyway...
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...I think Cycle World experienced it and wrote it in their four-bike comparo...
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kcadby
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posted May 06, 2004 09:23 AM
Edited By: kcadby on 6 May 2004 10:26
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kcadby obviously didn't break his in according to my recomendations
What would THAT have to do with how high ANY bike would rev in 1st gear???
Just so you know...I very seldom come here to talk about "my" bike because I don't own a ZX10
I work at a shop in Jacksonville Fl. that works on all most-all brands of bikes...including Hardleys...
I own a ZRX1200R TURBO...
Not a retract of my original statement but... 
I rode a ZX10 yesturday and took it to the limiter in 1st once just to see what the speedo said...it DID hit 103mph...BUT!!! the speedo-s do read HIGH and I would hope that we ALL know this???
I would guess that RealWorld speed is more like 90ish
Sorry for voicing my opinion as blunt as I did...
I will (with permission of owner) be glad to run one up on the dyno in 1st to see what the actual rear wheel/tire speed is
I have already (at owners request) run one to the limiter in high gear to see what they are speed-limited to with no air resistence...
The results are posted in that other thread (I think it was tigers dyno thread???)...
ANYway...Sorry again for being mean it just hit me wrong when I originaly saw the post...
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close2death
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posted May 06, 2004 10:14 AM
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kcadby obviously didn't break his in according to my recomendations
What would THAT have to do with how high ANY bike would rev in 1st gear???
well if you had read my informative method of breaking you'd realize that Olive oil and underwater operation combined forces a higher top end speed in first gear!!
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posted May 06, 2004 08:29 PM
Edited By: JNM on 7 May 2004 05:37
Man, Are there mostly liberals on this site? God, I hope not.
Sorry mate, had the 'ol beer goggles on last night. Disregard the above post. Cheers.
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DB
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posted May 06, 2004 08:38 PM
liberals?
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a
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posted May 07, 2004 06:14 AM
OK breakin by the book? K Bryant please answer. As you are at kmc you should know.
As is in my owner manual:
"The first 1600km (1000 mi) that the motorcycle is ridden is designated as the break-in period. If the motorcycle is not used carefully during this period, you may very well end up with a "broken down" instead of a "broken in" motorcycle after a few thousand kilometers.
The folowing rules should be observed during the break-in period.
The table shows maximum recomended engine speed during the break-in period.
0 ~ 800km (0 ~ 500 mi) 4000rpm
800 ~ 1600km (500~1000mi) 6000rpm
Do not start moving or race the engine immediately after starting it, even if the engine is already warm. Run the engine for two or three minutes at idle speed to give the oil a chance to work up into all the engine parts.
Do not race the engine while the transmission is in neutral."
Ok now that i write what says in my owner manual can someone confirm that we are on same page. And that we all have same break-in procedures.
And as it is writen here i warm new engine for few minutes go on highway put it in 6th gear go to 4000rpm and run it for first 500miles ( and few refils of gas in betwen) Then i do the same for next 500 miles at 6000rpm. And change oil at 600mi. They do not telling anything bout varying rpm or much else just stick to those rpms and engine wont be broken down instead of broken-in
I seriusly doubt that could be good for engine to stick with owners manual and i really wish they would tell something more bout break-in and more reasonable explanation how to do it properly. And as for k bryant answering that i doubt couse as employe at kmc dont think he could tell anything else as what owners manual did.
I think that break-in in owners manual was writen by laywers not engineers.
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swft
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posted May 07, 2004 06:54 AM
a - K Bryant is NOT at KMC.
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posted May 07, 2004 07:11 AM
Ok but hes defending breakin as in owners manual. Anyone else who is doin it by the book can answer. I just hoped that someone from kmc would answer this and givin some good explanation as way doit this way. And as i said doinit 500miles on freeway with 4000rpm in 6th gear?!?!?
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swft
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posted May 07, 2004 07:11 AM
Do it whatever way you want. I don't care. It's your bike.
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posted May 07, 2004 07:15 AM
Thats not the point! i wanna get some good backed up info! And i didnt get it in owners manual. DAMN
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posted May 07, 2004 07:29 AM
swft - you obviously haven't seen the checks that XL sends me for not bagging on KMC.... Ok, just kiddin...
a - I'm not "defending" the OEM procedure, as much as I'm agreeing with it based on who would know better than the designer/builder? Nobody.
While I don't have a book in front of me, I think they've always talked about varying the RPM and not going at steady speeds during the break-in. And if they don't, it's always a good idea. Placing & relieving pressure on parts at lower stress levels will assure you of a long lasting, strong running engine. Varying the RPM, up to the max that they recommend is always a good thing. And sure, we all go over the max recommended occassionally. Nobody is that anal...
This is not exclusive to KMC. Every manufacture has similar guidelines.
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salsa1
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posted May 07, 2004 08:00 AM
Hey "a" not worth getting too frustrated over;you are not alone with unanswered questions. Most people can not answer and are not really qualified to do so anyways so it does not matter.
There is no kitchen recipe for everyone on this one and no straight technical rational easily available from Kawasaki.
I agree engine builders or engineers in charge of design and manufacturing do not own company they work for.
I have some reservations being an engineer and being personally associated with equipment in the millions of dollars for 15 years.
Liability issues could well have laywers writting owners manual. Vague as a crooked polititian eluding liability as it stands. You would think if you ask a good question you would get a good answer....
Yet what cracks me up is People still insist on advising doing it by "the book". Then have to add their own impementations to "the book" to fill in.
Funny.
Ya have to make up your own mind too much grey area ;follow what makes most sense to you I will mail you what made sense to me for your consideration.
I think everyone wants what is best ; I do not blame anyone really. I think Kawasaki should offer better technical support with each bike.
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