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posted May 04, 2004 11:22 AM
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so then I take it you dont know who kbryant is 
who is Kobe Bryant? The same Bryant that likes to tag teenagers? LOL.......
   
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salsa1
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posted May 04, 2004 11:57 AM
Someone less opiniated than you? hehe. hahahaha I kill myself.
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fish_antlers
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posted May 04, 2004 01:28 PM
yer right salsa... he's just some backyard greasemonkey...
ever think of clicking on his profile?
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sasrac575
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posted May 04, 2004 01:49 PM
breakin
hey think about it guys ....do you all really think that all the bikes on the race track have been riden under 4000 rpm for the first 4000 miles .....OF COURSE NOT! we all know not to flog the shit out of a new engine right away.
most track guys (my self included) short shift the bike in and around the 5000 to 7000 rpm range for aprox 20 - 30 laps let the bike heat and cool 4 or 5 times ala heat cycles then start riding the thing the way its going to be used....just dont go around at full redline right away ...work up to it .
basicly common sence
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posted May 04, 2004 02:14 PM
I have half a mind to start deleting these topics.... kbryant gave the answer we all KNOW is correct. .. .and no.. he's NOT "kobe bryant" .. that made me laugh... I'd never thought about that!
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posted May 04, 2004 02:34 PM
This is total bullshit. Do a search.... your 3rd rod bearing failure is NOT a manufacturer design defect. 
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...... Kawasaki designed into the Ninja ZX-11 third rod bearing failures for years without correction and second gear tranny failures both in same bike and cost Kawasaki owners a bunch of money the which they took little or no responsibility over .
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posted May 04, 2004 02:36 PM
Salsa1 will learn to respect the "all knowing ZX10 zone"....lol
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runninhorn
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posted May 04, 2004 02:39 PM
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yer right salsa... he's just some backyard greasemonkey...
ever think of clicking on his profile?
WOW, never realized thats who he was, or we had someone like that on the board.......good to know 
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posted May 04, 2004 02:42 PM
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The engines in our Honda Race Program are designed completely different. ......At Infineion this past weekend, they were designed for less than 100 miles and engines were changed between Saturday & Sunday's round.
doh! .... yep salsa.... break 'er in however ya want.... Do ya think the people at HRC file a warranty claim when they bin their engines at 120miles on the odometer?
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posted May 04, 2004 02:43 PM
One question--ive taken it out twice today--earlier this morning for 20 miles, then just got back a few mins ago, and both times ive come in, the temp is around 210 after coming slowly down my street, then as I get in the garage, its around 212 degrees, and creeps to 215, so I keep the key on to let the fans cool it down to 210ish before pulling the key out---should I allow it to stay on longer and cool more? What temp should I not allow it to go over? or what temp is too hot and bad for it?
Secondly, I allow it to idle upon startup for about 4 mins, or up until it gets to 160 degrees, is this an ok temp before taking off, or should I allow it to keep climbing? Thanks........
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posted May 04, 2004 05:46 PM
With all due respect, I have to admit that Kobe Bryant remark was pretty darn funny. All in good fun.
Look I'm not gonna beat this like a dead horse. I just find Kawasaki's break in procedure extremely conservative. That's their choice. Honda on the other hand is rather liberal(man I hate that word LOL). This is my first Kawasaki street bike, so I was less than thrilled upon reading their break in procedure. Time to move on to another topic. Dino or synthetic?...... Just kidding.
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kz2zx
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posted May 04, 2004 06:25 PM
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I believe the ECU on this bike remembers abuse.
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posted May 04, 2004 06:28 PM
Great, as long as it serves coffee too.
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posted May 04, 2004 06:35 PM
A few years ago I would have probably told you that the manufacture break in method is a overly paranoid procedure that was designed to give longevity, and not much else. Well after my personal experience I've changed my opinion. Again this is a personal experience so you can take it for whatever it's worth.
I've owned two Kawasaki 636's. One was an 2003, which later became my track bike. The other was a 2004 which was to be my daily driver. The 2003 I broke in by the book for the most part. I couldn't resist going past the recommended a few times, but for more than 85/90 percent of the first 1000 miles it was by the book. Very painful by the way. But the results proved to be more than superb. As with a two brothers slip on, and nothing else the bike dynode at 118.5 for me. Which is not bad at all.
On my second 636, I decided that I liked the idea of a hard break in. So maybe half of the time I was running it hard for short sprints, then stop to cool, etc. I followed a rough mototune outline, not his guidelines exactly. But I have to say honestly that bike was never the same. It doesn't have quite the midrange kick that the first one had. Also developed some minor engine problems as well as seemingly over heating much more often than the first. One other problem encountered was a slight oil press problem, still undetermined as to what went wrong.
So after both those experiences, I admit it could have just been a bad 636. Or it could have been my method of break in. All I know is I'm not taking a chance with me new 10R, so I'm following the Kawasaki break in thoroughly. Of course with a few little spurts here and there.  But nothing to bad.
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posted May 04, 2004 06:43 PM
This thread may go on forever - that's why I'm signing off on it. Time will tell.
kz2zx - Hope you didn't mind my coffee comment; trying to add a little comic relief.
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Hamilton
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posted May 04, 2004 08:27 PM
runninhorn, generally speaking, an engine doesn't care what temperature it is shut off at. Even if severly over-heated, the best thing to do is just turn them off and let them cool down on their own.
Four minutes of idling is not necessary or recommended, one minute would be sufficent. But I would not get hard on the throttle until after a mile or two of riding.
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posted May 04, 2004 08:54 PM
Hey Fish, this is why I buy my bikes new.
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posted May 04, 2004 09:10 PM
4 mins??? Why??.... Id say 2mins max... then ease it down the road till the temp comes up, then ride like normal.
I tried this EGT probe on a bike a few times. Operating temperature was reached on a 80degree day in less than 3 mins.
Id be concerned about loading up the plugs with that long of a warmup.
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.....Secondly, I allow it to idle upon startup for about 4 mins, or up until it gets to 160 degrees, is this an ok temp before taking off, or should I allow it to keep climbing? Thanks........
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posted May 04, 2004 10:44 PM
I picked me bike up on the Friday, rode it home steady (10 miles), got it out of the garage on the saturday, THEN RODE IT LIKE I STOLE IT!!!!! for the next 200 miles, changed the oil, then more of the same!, 600 miles oil change and filter.
And havent given her a rest yet!, its under warranty, im changin it in 2 years, and i bought it to have fun!, so thats what im doin
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DB
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posted May 04, 2004 11:28 PM
Again, that's why I buy new.
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close2death
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posted May 05, 2004 05:05 AM
I love how once a week there is a new never ending thread on breaking in the 10....We're NEVER going to agree, its like dealing with that annoying drunk friend that won't shutup....just ignore them and hopefully they'll get bored and walk away.
Now aside from that my cousin Long Duck Dong was the chief designer of this bike in Japan and I would like to inform you all of the proper way to breaking in your bike according to him.
He told me that Kawasaki's recomendations are wrong but they just like people to take it easy on their bikes for the first 1000 miles because right after the initial release of new models OEM replacement parts are limited in availability and they don't want a bunch of backorders due to inexperienced riders buying this machine, not Knowing what their doing and dropping it when they hop on it and go balls to the wall.
According to him the best way to breakin in this machine is to first start the bike, shift into gear and ride for a half a mile real hard. After this first half a mile you MUST do a oil change. When doing the first oil change you should be using a 50/50 mix of synthetic 10w-40 motor oil and then some olive oil (imported oliveoil from italy is recommended). With your new fluids in place take it for a 20 mile ride keeping it on one wheel as much as possible (this will ensure your ECU doesn't record any "hard riding" during breakin and your waranty will still be good.....Now after about 20 miles its time for the tricky but most important part....you MUST start your bike out of, but then completely submerge the machine in water...(if you have a pool with a small crane or a few friends to help lift in and out this should be easy) If you do not have a pool or the means to lift in and out try finding a local boat launch....for those of you coastal residents a saltwater launchramp is actually prefered over the pool method as saltwater will not only protect the metal on your bike but will also provide 7 of 12 essential minerals the intake should have deposits of for proper operation.....after 45 minutes of underwater operation of varying RPM bursts increasing 1000 RPM's every 5 minutes remove vehicle from water drain oil refill with only motoroil and you're ready to ride.
I know its everyone's own opinion, but this method came from the chief designer and this is the method I used on my bike. I now with only stock parts have 193 HP at the rear wheel and some serious bragging rights. If anyone has any questions just let me know and I'll post pics of everystep when I get them back from developing.
Goodluck all and keep the shiny side up
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salsa1
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posted May 05, 2004 06:21 AM
You got mail runninghorn;
Have fun;be safe.
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pimp
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posted May 05, 2004 07:07 AM
close2death,
can you ask your cousin if i would be able to just use standard oil once run in? or should i stick with the olive oil mix??
the only reason i ask is because i followed your recomendations exactly, and now my bike smells like a kebab shop everytime i go out on it!!
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close2death
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posted May 05, 2004 07:30 AM
Pimp- You should be switching to standard oil once this procedure is complete, the smell shouldn't last long. If you have switched back to standard and after 100 miles smell persists I will need to know what type of kebab we're talking about here and what brand of olive oil you were using. I have heard that some of the oils made in northern italy prolong the odor. As a side note I am slightly confused as to why this is a problem to you, I for one love Chicken Kababs.....as a matter of fact I'm heading to Pete's Delicatesen in about 45 minutes to grab a Kabab Salad for lunch....so good. I hope this helps.
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posted May 05, 2004 07:40 AM
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Again, that's why I buy new.
Hey DB, I gotta question for ya, is this why you buy new by any chance??? LOL......
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