posted April 10, 2004 03:28 PM
Is the bike really that strong??? Is anyone with prior Gix 1k experience beginning to think twice about the hp hype surrounding the 10? My '03 Gix felt a bit more explosive in the lower range. In first, the front could be powered up from around 4,500 rpm. In second, you were airborne with a whack anywhere above 7k.
On the 10, liftoff is much later, and much less dramatic. Moreover, the real world dynos are coming in only a couple horse stronger than an older Gix. Where are the 160 numbers promised?
Unfortunately, I don't think I've got quite that in my bike. Does anyone here think they have a 160 horse bike?
posted April 10, 2004 03:34 PM
power First gear on the thing is so high it isn't going to feel as fast as say a gixxer,but I'm sure there is plenty of power.
posted April 10, 2004 04:11 PM
I agree, I don't think there is 160 hp but the 10 handles great, stops good, acceleration is on par. How are the 10s doing on track days? (Anybody)
posted April 10, 2004 08:45 PM
Guys....have you finished breaking in your bikes.....have you adjusted your valves....have you syncronized your throttle bodies??
All this makes a difference in HP depending on how well your machine was broke in.
posted April 10, 2004 09:18 PM
Even after break-in, not having anything (adj or sync) until at least 10K. After a good break-in, I'll be happy with whatever she makes. Will post Dyno Figure when it is time. Going to McDaniels Cycle in Waco, NC if anyone wants to co-ordinate a same day thing. Hopefully I can get a hook-up from Grady.
I see you are in Gastonia......We ride by there all the time going fro Salisbury to our Cabin in Lake Lure (chimney rock)
If you need a dyno I can probably Hook you up big time! My buddy has a shop and wants to dyno one. You maybe get a freebee or close!Let me know if you are interested!
posted April 11, 2004 08:47 AM
All I know is I rode my bike to palomar 300 mile loop.This friggin thing handles,I don't even know what to compare it too .But even when you are hauling ass this thing just rails.I don't know if it has 160 hp but mine had 600 miles when I started and I never really had it wound tight and it accelerated bitchen out of corners almost have 1000 miles on it now can't wait.
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posted April 11, 2004 10:41 AM
I think its all about balance between engine and chassis...what good is all that HP if your constantly battling forward motion with front wheel altitude? (unless you're a stunta!)...wasted energy, yes?...the application of power with the chassis to harness that power...a synergistic, almost telepathic union of man and motorcycle...its about riding the fastest and the quickest from point A to B to C and beyond in the real deal wheel world, right?...I'm no expert, but I think based on what I know and what other more experienced real-world riders and road-racers are doing, Kawasaki did this one right...except for that damn digi-tach ____________ “We sleep safe in our beds because rough men
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posted April 12, 2004 06:26 AM
Make no mistake, this is a fantastic bike. Absolutely no complaints on how well it feels while riding it (i.e. the size, the weight, the front end feel).
I'm just a bit upset about the mfg's going overboard with the advertising this year. Really, Yamaha started it all with their 180hp claims, and then Kawi jumped on board. And now, none of the real road bikes are producing anything near the magazine bikes, let alone the initial claims.
I hate being duped, plain and simple. I'd be a much happier purchaser if I could trust the company claims. If it only makes 150-152 on a dyno, so be it. I still would've bought it. But don't lie to me about it. It just leaves me with a poor feeling about the company to see how far they are willing to reach to make sales. Will this corporate attitude carry over to customer service down the road, honoring the extended warranties, safety recalls, etc? I know Kawi needed to hit a home run with this bike, but lying to me is not the way to do it.
Mazda got into a whole bit of trouble about this exact same issue with their new RX-8. After a couple of class action lawsuits, Mazda ended up offering a buy back of the car.
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posted April 12, 2004 07:56 AM
I think its more or less common knowledge that mfg's hp claims are at the crank for any engine, motorcycle or car...and even if they say 180hp in its ad claims, its a pretty good bet that the rwhp will be pretty good based on that claim (minus the typical parasitic drivetrain loss)...then we'd have to go by whether or not the test rider/evaluator is the same caliber of rider as we are in achieving some of these numbers...its also common knowledge that on any given day, its usually the rider/operator and not usually the bike ____________ “We sleep safe in our beds because rough men
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posted April 12, 2004 08:10 AM
Edited By: salsa1 on 12 Apr 2004 09:13
Hi Scott ;I agree with what you are saying but I consider it a fact that you may or may not get proper customer service. May have to do with the nature of a sport bike and what type of potential abuse they could get from a given customer.
Without going into details or from which Japanese Manufacturer Warranty; I have had negative help when needed and been left with bad service due to dealer not believing my claim in one case . They told me they would open engine and if it was damaged due to abuse I would pay bill.
I said see ya and took the loss. Sold bike and got another one like it. Felt ripped off but taught me they do what they want. Have had other problems in which they honored warranty ;so in summation I like having a warranty but do not count on it 100%.
As far as power goes my ZX-10R is fully broken in now and I have front wheel comming off ground in first with full tank and leaning forward as much as I can so no complaints about horsepower figures. Does feel more like 150hp but very tall first gear could be reason. Hard to really tell without dyno. Challenging to shift into second or third full out yet as am not fully used to shakes . Will probably purchase Damper to feel safer.
Also bike engine might get better at 1500 plus miles compared to just 1075 miles ridden so far.
Engine may need a bit more miles to achieve best hp output. Just a theory. Bike is powerfull enough as is in any case.
Yeah manufacturers could lie to make more money;no surprise there. I understand.
posted April 12, 2004 09:16 AM
Edited By: Scott_in_FL on 12 Apr 2004 10:17
Wormhole, I agree that mfg's are measuring at the crank. I also agree that we, as a consuming public, have come to know that there's about a 10% loss between the crank and the rear wheel. That still puts us at a number somewhere north of 160hp.
My problem is that my bike is not doing 180hp at the crank. If it is, I have the most inefficient chain drive system on the planet. Second, my bike is not performing any of the crazy (but fun sounding) antics that the magazine bikes are. No, my front end does not "paw for the sky in third gear at 130mph."
Thus, the false advertising is on two fronts. The indirect one may be the worse as I purchased this bike based on the totality of all the rave reviews I read.
And now it appears that I got a different bike than they did? That's not right.
Nobody here has a 160 horse (or, 180 crank hp) bike. Yet, every magazine in the land had one at some point. That's ridiculous. Plain and simple.
posted April 12, 2004 10:28 AM
I had one. Muzzy had one. Guys, listen to what XL said above. Nobody has been mislead on the power output from my perspective and fact based findings. The numbers I've seen on the other bikes tested appear to match within expected plus/minus factors of dynos, days, bikes, etc.
posted April 12, 2004 10:49 AM
The power delivery is soooooo linear on the 10r that it should feel somewhat weak when compared to the G1k as its forte is bottom/low end grunt via along stroke mtr and its very evident from many,many dyno graphs where the big hit is.
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