kevy10
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posted April 04, 2004 07:33 PM
04 R1 "breaking-in" or just BREAKING
im sure you guys have heard about the thread from the r1 forum about the poor guy and his brand new r1 with 10 miles on her when his motor shit the bed. is it realy true yamaha is isueing breakin procedures and they are to be done prior to the customers receiving their bikes. what do you guys think fluke or inherant design flaw.
  
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TurboBlew
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posted April 04, 2004 07:48 PM
I doubt highly an OEM manufacturer would require new vehicles being broken in for customer. Sounds like the making of an internet rumor.
Something suspicious about that whole story anyway.
Bottom line is ...all manufacturers have problems... and none have gone through dramatic lengths to ensure "proper" breakins.
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posted April 04, 2004 07:50 PM
fluke. not surprising that a few of the mass-produced engines will fail. my guess some 10r engines will shit the bed as well. you just hope that it is limited to a very small number.
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kevy10
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posted April 04, 2004 07:56 PM
ya hopefully the number is small; i guess thats what the warrantys for.
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posted April 04, 2004 07:58 PM
exactly...also, doing wheelies straight of the out of the crate may contribute to a failure
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kevy10
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posted April 04, 2004 08:02 PM
i guess but how much damage could the guy have done in 10 miles of street driving. i could see if he blew a fork seal or somethin from wheelies but all that internal engine damage???
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TurboBlew
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posted April 04, 2004 08:18 PM
10miles with an unported oil pickup can do lots of damage!
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extremelean
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posted April 04, 2004 08:32 PM
or 10 miles with bearing tolerances that are too tight from the get go or piston to cylinder tolerances that are too tight.
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kevy10
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posted April 04, 2004 08:36 PM
exactly, but it still isn't the guys fault ; bad engine, shame on yamaha
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posted April 04, 2004 11:02 PM
we all remember the 'extended' 00 zx12's break in? AFTER the fact?
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posted April 05, 2004 06:24 AM
 Edited By: fish_antlers on 5 Apr 2004 07:25
yes it's true and I will bump the original thread to the top... this time dont let it slip to the bottom!
the service bulliten in posted in that thread;
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=19&TID=11363&set_time=1081175112
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posted July 03, 2004 07:42 AM
quote:
yes it's true and I will bump the original thread to the top... this time dont let it slip to the bottom!
the service bulliten in posted in that thread;
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=19&TID=11363&set_time=1081175112
try this
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Erich
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posted July 04, 2004 10:19 AM
Now that it been a few months since that 1 case, the in service history can speak for itself. The follow up from that did state their was a tool blocking an oil galley. No matter how much the anti-R1 crowd tried to propogate the myth that R1 engines are flawed and will fail, this did not materialize and the lack of blown engines shows that. Sadly the only places you'll tend to find rumors of blown engines in R1s are on ZX forums with the poster generally saying he has seen numerous cases but lacks any support or evidence to back the claims.
Mysteriously there are no such claims by the guys who actually own the bikes in their forums.
The only know facts are there was a scare and their was a bulletin. Any opinions offered about the reason for the bulletin are guesses.
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big daddy
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posted July 04, 2004 10:51 AM
Sadly R1 owners won't admit it when in fact there was a prob.....ya know kinda like the much talked about 'hotass'undertail exhaust system, although some R1 owners finally admitted only after getting their respective arses roasted.
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Erich
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posted July 04, 2004 11:02 PM
Ah yes, a conspiracy to hide the truth. Its definately possible. if you dont like conspiracy theory, perhaps all buyers had to sign non-disclosure agreements. Or maybe gag orders placed on them with the exhaust heat deal having a 2 month expiration designed to deflect the truth about the real big problem.
That would certainly explain the guy in the blue jacket that stands over my shoulder evertime I sign on to the internet or talk to someone. 
Its also possible its a bunch of hooey.
Me thinks the hooey one is more plausible considering the time and thousands of accumulated miles at this point.
No worries though BD, If someone is going to find those stacks of blown motors that they are hidding from us, my bet is you'll be the one to do it.
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big daddy
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posted July 04, 2004 11:08 PM
Indeed!!
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posted July 06, 2004 10:37 PM
I once saw a doco on Suzuki quite a few years ago and it showed the process associated with the assembly and the testing of each bike as it was assembled detailing the great lenghts gone to to ensure all components matched. At the end of all this the bike was wheeled onto a dyno and fired up rough adjusted ( carbies ) and run up to redline in each gear then held for what seemed to be about a minute in top before dropping down and being blipped a few times. The theory behind this was if the engine was going to fail or not meet minimum spec it would not be shipped better to find out a problem before it leaves the factory. Considering the great amounts of money invested in production equipment by the majors and the shame associated with a failure its likely this one just slipped through the system assuming this is still how they test them.
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