posted February 08, 2004 03:53 PM
I don't believe that running hi beams all the time shortens bulb or alterantor life one bit, I have a '96 9RR that I run the hi beams on all the time, she is still plugging right on along.
Well the two low beam issue is not always been the rule, look at Ducati. They have been running a single for a minute or two.
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posted February 08, 2004 04:23 PM
question: how could running a light bulb on all the time not shorten it's life? Nevermind, its not even worth the debate (lol). Wait a minute, yes it is. Nevermind, no it's not. Johnny if you really believe that then........nevermind. Maybe you meant that the miniscule amount of shortened life is irrelevent compared to the extra potential of being seen by other drivers. Yea, that's what he meant. But on the other hand maybe it's not what he meant. Maybe Johnny believes what he said and if thats the case then.......nevermind
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posted February 08, 2004 05:07 PM
The comment was that I don't believe that his assumtion was correct. Read above statement/question to the board from K Bryant again, please. The current draw is not that significant that it would cause premature (DB, you now that word) alternator failure, nor would it shorten battery life as the two ciruits are separate, but could if the charging system was not working properly.
Ya know something, I have found that there is alway one of you out there no matter where you go in this owrld wide web, there is always one.
posted February 08, 2004 05:25 PM
lol, Johnny you're a funny man. Read your thread. You said, "I don't believe that running hi beams all the time shortens BULB or alternator life one bit". Those are your words not mine. But hey, there's always one person like me on the www. (lol) Yep and there's alot like you who make comments that make no sense. Truthfully, I'm only joshing with you, lighten up, enjoy life.
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posted February 08, 2004 05:30 PM
I think the alternator life is kinda moot when it comes to high vs. low beam. On my '97 7R, not only did I run 55/100w blubs on high beam all the time, but I also wore Gerbing heated liners during the winter rides.
Even though the temp was controlled via a "pulse rate" rather than just raising or lowering the overall wattage draw, if I was to wear all of the items (jacket/pants liners, gloves and sock), each "pluse" would have been a 165w draw. Even without the socks and gloves, it was still a 121w draw on each pulse.
After almost 69,000 miles and three winters, I never had any alternator or charging system problems.
In the case of the 12R, after about a year, I switched from the 55/100w bulbs to 55/60 PIAA Super Whites. I also quit wearing my heated liners after the first winter (got too fat). Still, I had other low wattage gizmos hooked up to my bike like my V1, DIGI gear indicator, NE Dyno A/F LCD and UNGO alarm.
The alternator still shows no charging problems after more than 48,000 miles. As a matter of fact, it wasn't until just a few months ago did I have to replace the OEM battery.
With OEM bulbs on low beam, the amp draw would be 9.2A. On high, it would be 10A or less than 1A of additional draw on the system. I believe the headlight fuse is normally 15A. A pair of 55/100w bulbs on high the difference would be almost an additional 8A over the low beam setting (a total draw of 16.7A vs. 9.2A). When I ran the 55/100, I did have to switch the fuse to a 20A.
Maybe I was just lucky, but I can't see how running high beams all the time would have any effect on any part of the charging system's service life. The additional overall draw of 10 watts (5w per bulb) just seems pretty insignificant to me. Maybe the 80w difference of running 55/100w bulbs would, but I kinda doubt that too.
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posted February 08, 2004 05:42 PM
Edited By: k bryant on 8 Feb 2004 18:00
Nice explanation. Gee, aren't opinions great? Oh wait, I already said that......
Along the same debate of being seen and such. I wouldn't mind the green "see me/give me a ticket" 10, and paint the rest of the bellypan to match. But it seems the black may be less conspicuous (personally I don't like the blue or orange option). Are there any canyon carvers out there who worry about such things?
posted February 08, 2004 05:50 PM
By the time you put an exhaut on a zx10 or any other m/c I think (IMHO) you've lost all chances of being less conspicuous.
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posted February 08, 2004 06:06 PM
BUT, as you Mr. Bryant have said so many times: Where is my zx10r???? I'm with you I think Extreme needs to be tortured....
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posted February 08, 2004 07:19 PM
ozzy, i dont know the h4's would work. arent they a different base? point being i dont think u could get the bulbs to mount in the headlights. maybe with some trimming of the bulb base, but even then i dont know how the base filament placement differs (not to mention the high beam/low beam issue u mentioned). still, the luight would probably still be going in the right direction in general, but dont expect it to be nearly as perfect as stock. the actaully harness is trivial. u can get one from jsut abotu any parts store. jsut get a couple h4 plugs with pigtails (not sure of my terminology mind u) and wire em up- to your existing harness. of course u'd have to cut your harness then. hodl on, i'm jsut getting what ur point abotu the 12r harness is.. u can jsut plug it in right? is it actually the same? i assume u'v already checked that with your 12? if so, try ru local dealers. i got such a harness from, the wrecked bike parts bin for like $15.
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posted February 08, 2004 08:11 PM
ozzy, is there any difference between the two bulbs on your Z1000?
According to BuyKawasaki.com, they appear to be the same (Part #92069-1126 - BULB,12V 55W,H7 - QTY. 2).
I'd figure that it would just require a little rewiring and like freek said, a couple of H4 recepticals. On the other hand, you might want to check the tabs. Even though they both might have three tabs, they might not be spaced apart the same. That's the problem I ran into with running the 100/55w bulbs in my 7R. Since both of them had a tab at the top center and their base was the same diameter, I just cut the other two tabs off.
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posted February 08, 2004 09:45 PM
just had another thought re: positioning of the bulbs. the high and low beam bulb are identical of course, as red confirmed, so either their position within the lense differs, or the lense itself is different. if it's just different position (one is a touch deeper), u may be able to get near perfect aiming out of the new bulbs by removing the existing spacer or shimming one of them so they're both at the same depth. then one filament would work as llow and one as high, jstu like the originals (to an extent as the filament position and shape still liekly wont be EXACTLY the same). if the lenses themselves are different (different shapes that is), u may still be able to approach uniformity of the right and left by wiring the filaments backwards on one bulb. that is to say, wire the low beam filment to the high ciruit, and the high filament to the low circuit. assuming position within the lense still effects a change in beam pattern, this may jsut make them work in sync right to left. or it may make the difference even worse, depending on all the variables. and there are unfortunately alot of variables as u know, but there's a couple ideas. hey, if fitting HID bulbs (not coated h4's, i mean real HID lights) to h4/9004/etc lenses works ok, then ur idea shoudl likely have satisfactory results too.
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posted February 08, 2004 10:26 PM
Hey Ozzy! Why not just bungee a pair of KC Daylighters to your Z1000? You'd fit right with the average Spokane commuter!
quote:Hey Ozzy! Why not just bungee a pair of KC Daylighters to your Z1000? You'd fit right with the average Spokane commuter!
swft,I would but I don't want my Z to be confused for a Triumph whatever in the hell model it is with those big lights!
frEEk, you don't doubt that I can get those H4's to fit in place of the H7's do you
Oh and there is no way in hell that I am going to cut and splice my harness on the Z1K.(You know how anal I am) Adapters and wire and shrink and .. dam this is turning into a bunch of work,LOL!
I can't hardly believe with all the guys here that have built track bikes, no one has a set of H4 plugs...
posted February 17, 2004 10:03 AM
Fuck this weird lights problem! Give me my ZX-10R NOW!!!!!!!!!
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posted February 17, 2004 01:10 PM
Edited By: worm~hole on 17 Feb 2004 13:11
aaaaaaaack!...I just saw Motorcyclist mag...it shows the ZX-10R with one headlight on...DUMB IDEA, Kawasaki....
...btw...just got off the phone with FATS DomiDINO....I wished I could've seen the faces on the riders on those 'smaller' bikes....priceless, I bet....as the 'neuvo-porker' from proves, its all rider, babeeeee.... ____________ “We sleep safe in our beds because rough men
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posted February 20, 2004 09:25 AM
Edited By: worm~hole on 20 Feb 2004 09:36
I don't know a lot of sportbike operators, but of the few of whom I do know, Dino appears to be one of the few who are truly matched with the bike or have somehow mastered this bike....a 'large and in charge' 'older' 12R no less! ie. ever watch how effortlessy he rides that black beauty at insane speeds and insane lean angles?...all the while looking back at you in mid-corner?...and flipping you off?...wheelies?...how high?...stoppies?...how steep?
I know that the now-phatphuck who now counts Richard Simmons as his new action hero is too modest to toot his own horn, but those of us who have seen his street riding or have tried to keep up with him in the twisties have been impressed to no end...if I had 1/4 of his abilities, I'd be a way better rider truly deserving of a new 10R
...ahhh...to the story: seems he showed up to ride with a few riders who were on 'smaller' and 'lighter' bikes...here he is, 'skinny' guy on a 'fat' black bike, and they're probably thinking: "What...you're going to try to keep up with us in the twisties?"...uh huh...so they ride and the guys on the 'smaller and lighter' bikes keep disappearing on our bike jewelry maker...so Dino has to keep on waiting for them at the next junction to, you know...keep it in the spirit of a group ride... ...too funny....as we all know, its all rider babeee....
hey, I wasn't there, but for those of us who do know Dino, there's no reason not believe how this panned out, now is there?...way to go Dino...way to represent the 12R in the twisties!...makes one wonder how he'd do on the track kneepuck to kneepuck with ohter like minded operators ____________ “We sleep safe in our beds because rough men
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posted February 20, 2004 09:33 AM
...uh...one more thing...if you read this, Dino, dont let this get to your head...your head THAT SHOULD BE FACING TOWARDS THE FRONT EVERY FREEKIN' TIME YOUR RIDE THAT BLACK BEAUTY!!!!...capice???? ____________ “We sleep safe in our beds because rough men
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