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posted May 28, 2003 02:25 PM
Stock Mild to Wild/Muzzys 1317 BigBlock Build...
OK...first report on the 1317 we are building...
Ryan is working on the head...cleaning up the ports and "slight reshaping" in some areas...picked up almost 10CFM already   (we didn't bench-check the 1361 head when we built it)...This flow reading was taken at the valve lift of the cam that will be in the motor...
MORE later as it comes together 
   
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posted May 28, 2003 05:14 PM
MANNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dont leave us hanging like this!!!!!!!!!
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posted May 29, 2003 08:48 AM
Doug...
Ryan just told me (at lunch) that he has been trying to call you...
Are you in??? (at the shop)...
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posted May 29, 2003 09:48 AM
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posted May 29, 2003 04:33 PM
YES...Been very busy on the dyno and ...I spoke with him today.
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posted June 28, 2003 01:53 PM
OK!!!
Muzzys 1270 kit piston (JE) with wrist pin, rings, 1-circlip in piston (and some carbon ) = 351.5grams
Muzzys 1317 kit piston (MTC) wrist pin, rings, 1-clip (NO carbon ) = 327.5grams
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posted June 28, 2003 04:39 PM
Bigger but lighter pistons? Is it obvious what MTC did differently then JE to account for the weight savings?
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posted June 29, 2003 05:06 AM
Kcadby, more info about what you are doing with the cams........Profile, and settings and why?!
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posted June 30, 2003 08:43 AM
I took some pictures of the MTC pistons but the camera didn't come with a power cable so I can't download them yet. I ordered a cable that should be here around the end of this week. Basicaly the wrist pins of the MTC pistons are about 20 mm shorter than the ones on the 1270 JE pistons so that is where a lot of the weight savings is coming from. Maybe Kevin can weigh the pins against each other if he has time.
With the Carillo rods and the MTC pistons there will be a total of 256 grams less reciprocating weight with the 1317 kit copared to the 1270 kit that used to be in the motor. I don't know what the difference is between a stock crank and the lightened one from Falicon but with everything being lighter going into this motor hopefully it will pick up revs a little quicker than before.
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posted June 30, 2003 10:35 AM
I am watching this also!! I want to get 1340 out of my engine with +4 mm Crank and +.5 mm pistons (Which will more than likely make it a 1325) Wiseco and MTC (At least I think it is MTC) always had strong but Heavy pistons vs stock! I know that Falicon had tapered Wrist pins with the thickest in the Middle and I rounded the ends off so I could use round circlips, not that Spirolock that always found a way out of the engine! With my other Mods, I am going to get to 200 on Motor or go on a Diet to get there! Yes that serious! Thanks Kevin!
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posted July 01, 2003 11:52 AM
 Edited By: kcadby on 1 Jul 2003 12:53
The wrist pins are noticably SHORTER...piston is also "narrow" in the pin area
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posted July 01, 2003 12:34 PM
Thanks, Dr. "K"!
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posted July 26, 2003 09:41 AM
THE MOTOR IS TOGETHER!!!
SHoooooo...Nothing easy when building a new combination...for the first time but...it IS done...
Need to install the TBs, clutch, stator, and wire harness but...it WILL "bark" late today/tonight...
If your all nice to me I'll post some #s after it has some heat cycles/dyno time...
NO MAX POWER #s until it has been mapped at 100% throttle...after some street miles and first oil change
MAN...I'm glad this puppy is finally together
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posted July 26, 2003 10:12 AM
KC,
Could you tell me what CC pressure do you have??? And what base gasket(s) and head gasket are you using?
My 1427 is going back together Wed now that Milennium has "straightened" the block by surface grinding .005" off it. I want to end up with about 230-240psi. Whatta ya think???
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posted July 26, 2003 02:09 PM
The head gasket in this kit was .031"...more later...
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posted July 26, 2003 06:37 PM
is the head gasket a 3 piece steel??
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posted July 26, 2003 10:34 PM
ONLY have to add coolant, battery, GAS and it will get WARMed...
More details later Karl...
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posted July 27, 2003 08:12 AM
KC,
I KNOW you are busy AND very PUMPED!!!!!
any info you can give will be MUCH appreciated, real imp to know the CC psi, eh? Especially if the motor you are building/testing is gonna run race gas!
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posted July 27, 2003 08:20 PM
entropy
It's a Street, Pump Gas motor...
My compression #s won't tell you much (accept how it starts compaired to yours ) unless you have the same combo...NOT...
This head flows 17cfm more than a stocker, it has Carpenter cams that I degreed where I thought they should for how/what this motor was built for...the degreeing can make a Big diff. in cranking compression...
I WILL tell you the compression # when I get it them...AFTER I seat the rings a bit
I don't want people here to get mad at me but...my boss won't let me give too many details on things I do in this shop...
It makes me feel good helping people but I won't be able to get nearly as detailed as I would like...about how this motor is set-up...
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posted July 28, 2003 01:36 AM
KC,
I understand the privacy issue and am not looking for secrets, rather just a correlation of cranking psi and deck height (thus my Q's about spacer/gasket thickness).
We all appreciate your updates!!!
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posted July 28, 2003 06:12 AM
Well...after 75 miles on the dyno (not all at once) I have mapped the drivability range...I have to say this thing seems to run GOOOD...
Gave it a road test...I need to work on that dang-ed 2,500 rpm dead spot some more but other than that...this puppy is SMOOOTH from 2,750 up...3,000-up she purse like a kitten...
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posted July 28, 2003 07:32 AM
Good..get that 2500 stumble fix down to a science....you get to map mine next
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posted July 28, 2003 04:44 PM
HEY! I don't care about the 2,500 rpm stumble! Honestly, I don't care! If it revs as quick as you say I won't feel it for the milli-second it's at 2,500 rpm.
I promise to only launch it above 3,000! I'll set the idle to 2,600. OK? I don't care about the stumble, ask anyone who knows me. 20,000 miles and I never asked anyone about the stumble. Ask my therapist. Sheesh.
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posted July 30, 2003 03:19 AM
1st pulls looking pretty Goood...
Mapped rich at WFO for breakin (mid 12s) with less than 200 miles it made 201.5HP 111+Lbs
Entropy...it had 210psi-CC...I moved the cams for 200psi...
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posted July 30, 2003 07:02 AM
Thanks KC'
I know you can't tell secrets...
So, as a general question, I had my Muzzy cams at 105/107, and it got 205-210psi BUT too much base spacer.
On this rebuild we will up CR a bit, but wanna intelligently set the cams
In what "direction" cam seetings would incr cranking CCpsi and what would lower it?
like 110/110???
like 105/103???
Sorry for dumb questions, but i'm getting an education
AND, I will post my settings results, because I am not competitive anyway
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