VincentHill
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posted April 08, 2003 07:21 PM
Who is it, when you Drag Race??
I am confused about 1 aspect of Drag Racing. If I build the Bike and I ride the Bike and I win, I have Won. If I loose, then I loose.
To Me, Mad Mike when He Wins, He has WON!
Muzzy Has a Bike Built and has Steve Johnson do the tuning and Ryan Schnitz ride the Bike. When that Bike wins, Who Won and when that Bike loses, who lost?
Actually, this is not about Mad Mike, Muzzy or even me. It is about Robert SuperNut! Can someone please tell me when the Bike that he is loosely associated with and they hire some one to ride it, Wins or Loses, WHO?? Won or Lost??
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posted April 08, 2003 08:20 PM
In Team Muzzys example,the team wins and looses the race.I'm not sure if you could compare the muzzy team and Supernuts team though.
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MadMike
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posted April 09, 2003 04:37 AM
the only people who win or loose on Roberts Team are the people who put the money up for the race. LOL... and I would agree the team wins when Muzzy wins. and when I win My Team Wins, Yes I do most of the work, but without my sponsors, and help from my family and friends(my crew!) It would be tough to do it. even though I do 80% without that 20% I would not be able to do it!
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RAC4IT
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posted April 09, 2003 05:01 AM
In that situation, whoever hands over the money to the winner at the end of the race is the loser. The person receiving the money is the winner. Robert lost.
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Koz
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posted April 09, 2003 05:48 AM
It doesn't matter if Robert wins or loses, he has been and will always be a LOSER!
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VincentHill
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posted April 09, 2003 06:58 AM
"I" Always being an "I" Forgot about Team! Muzzys is a Team. Acutally in the Program under Sponsor, I always stated "Thanks to Barbara" who without here, I could not have even come close! Mike I know what you mean! Koz, I think you also hit the nail on the head also. Thanks
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posted April 09, 2003 07:49 AM
If I follow your line of thinking Vincent, Rickey Gadson is not a winner, nor is Kenny Burnstein (sp?), or Don Prudome, or any other number of racers. I don't know of very many people that can honestly say they did it all. And for those that have help, can and did hire others to help build their machines etc. their achievments are every bit commendable.
And if you have a big dollar machine and want to honestly see how fast it is putting a top rider on it is perfectly fine. If George Stienbrenner didn't spend the money to put the talent on the field the Yankees would not have all of those world championships.
Bracket racing makes things somewhat of a level playing field for guys so that mr. big bucks and mr. I built it myself on a budget can compete with each other. While Muzzy and others compete in an arena where whinning about money and or who built it is mute.
Now the concept of team is real important. I remeber setting in a semi trailer at Laguna a couple years ago while discussions were going on with Kurtis Roberts and Honda. Honda's Senior VP and Team Manager both looked at Kurtis Roberts and told him that the #1 plate on the front of the motorcycle comes as a result of the team. Not just the rider. They told him he could probably go someplace else an dmake more money, but if he want the #1 plate could he honestly see a team more comitted to winning then Honda? He signed his contract with Honda!
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posted April 09, 2003 08:03 AM
sounds like you are all (mostly) saying that Ricky, Kurtis, Maddest of Mike's, etc are all "Winners", but not necessarily..."THE Winner". 
See Mike? You're still a winner in my book, you're just not "THE Winner". 
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MadMike
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posted April 09, 2003 09:43 AM
LOL....
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posted April 09, 2003 09:51 AM
Better to be a winner then a whiner!
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VincentHill
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posted April 09, 2003 02:39 PM
Actually, Each part of a Winning Team is a WInner and each part of a losing team is a Looser. But in Drag racing, it is a little easier to tell who has and has not done their Job. If the reaction time cost the race, then it is "Mostly" the rider. If the rider cuts a great light and gets run down, then the Tunner. If the tunner and done everything with what he has and the rider is cutting great lights, then the Ower needs to spend more. I understand these things, but when a person has a bike built and hires a person to ride it when the money is on the line and can ride himself, then he is not a winner to me because he chickened out when the money was on the line. That is what I am getting at. And If the Owber of the Bike is the Rider and does most of the work himself, then (Mad Mike) he is not only a winner, but he is a winner extrodinare! Did I mention Normal Size person also??
Not Chip Hunter sized! He is even small for a Jockey  MM, You are Da Man in my books, Normal Size, Do your own work and on a Kawasaki!! (They really need a Thumbs Up on this bioard!)
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posted April 09, 2003 02:46 PM
I have bitched at Freek about needing a thumbs up a number of times! We should start an e-mail freek campaign "we want a thumbs up!!"
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posted April 09, 2003 05:11 PM
It IS better to be a winner than a whiner....listen to some of you whining....Robert Surprenant is a good guy if you have ever met him, well for a canadian He is associated with mspracing, VERY good friends Kieth Dennis who is his "rider".....Shine is a bad mother fucker, aint nobody else sides Schnitz that Id put on my shit....well or chip
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