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posted January 19, 2003 07:33 AM
its ALIVE!!! (again)
finally my bike is in one (more or less) piece again so I went to Sabin in Dallas for a little dyno tuning and fuel testing.
Conclusions
1. nutec mixed 50/50 w/104 track gas LOSES 4-6 hp everywhere on the curve.
2. hp is up from the 1375, and Jim added 2-8 hp over the 1270 map I got from Brock with the step Hindle (no surprise that it needed more fuel)
peak SAE hp: 222 @ 11.2
peak torque: 124 @ 7.7
pretty flat curve from 9.0 (209) to 11.6 (221)
Actual hp was a "female pubic hair" under 230 (55 degrees)
Now I need a day warm enough to get traction!!!! 
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posted January 19, 2003 08:31 AM
Glad you got it going again!
Should have been at gainesville raceway the last two days,traction was pretty good!They are open the next 3 saturdays for test-n-tune 10am-4pm!
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posted January 19, 2003 12:39 PM
You go boy!
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posted January 19, 2003 03:02 PM
You Fla TFA-ers know that us "substantial" guys need all the help we can get!
And, Harry, I damn sure would like to be in Fla. We are having beautiful weather here but COLD, in the 30-40's at night. brrrrrrrrrrrrr...
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posted January 19, 2003 03:18 PM
I would like to have 30 - 40 nights. We have been down in the 13-17 range here for about a week. Today is nice 60 and it time to wash the salt off the truck from last weeks snow.....I love Kansas.....
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posted January 19, 2003 04:42 PM
Hey Carl. Why was it apart again?
What was the first pull?
I'm trying to see the improvement.
Thos eare great numbers. I'm just trying to guess as to whether or not we're gonna see a solid 8, or not?
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entropy
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posted January 19, 2003 05:29 PM
Wazzup, Chris,
It was apart to fix my smashed oilpan and starter clutch. Hafta drop the engine & split the cases to get at the goddamn starter clutch...
I hadn't yet brought it to the dyno for tuning after putting in the new cylinder block, hence the trip to Sabin yesterday.
The "as delivered" pull was 215 max. Once again, Jim came thru!
8's????? we'll see, eh?
Are you any closer to making a bike outa all those shiny parts???
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posted January 19, 2003 06:02 PM
alright dude!!! looks great! cant wait to see how it does at the track!!! go get them! I am excited for ya.
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posted January 19, 2003 07:35 PM
HOLY SHIT KARL!!! Thats what I'm talkin bout! 230hp!! That fucker is making some ponies now. Especially considering Wes' 1507 busa only made 230hp and thats with a GOOD head on it. Congrats, god knows you deserve it for the kinda loot you sunk into it. So much for retirement eh?? FUCK who wants to retire?> Just keep racing! You got enough motor for 8.60s now baby! You should break 160mph on motor! You bastard! Let me know when you go to the track next. Later bud!
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posted January 19, 2003 09:18 PM
That's just outstanding entropy... 8s for SURE it still makes its peak at 11,600 and you have the 4mm stroke? That rocks What a motor. It's a 1428 now? ...and I forget, has the head NEVER been worked on? holy smokes
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posted January 19, 2003 09:40 PM
Yeah what are the mods. Stroke? Bore?
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posted January 19, 2003 11:41 PM
Shit Supraman.... it is "Stock".........
Dean he has the billet crank, I believe that is 5mm stroke?
1427cc.
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posted January 20, 2003 12:58 AM
Thx guys,
Internals are tweaked here & there, but most of the increase comes from Hans Monster Scoop & Fitch Fuel Catalyst 
4.6mm crank & big block add a little power; nutec a little more...
I would REALLY like to get around the 11.6 redline, but do NOT want to get into the complexity of a Muzzy ECU. any ideas???
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posted January 20, 2003 01:07 AM
Thx guys,
Internals are tweaked here & there, but most of the increase comes from Hans Monster Scoop & Fitch Fuel Catalyst
4.6mm crank & big block add a little power; nutec a little more...
I would REALLY like to get around the 11.6 redline, but do NOT want to get into the complexity of a Muzzy ECU. any ideas???
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posted January 20, 2003 05:05 AM
Entropy
Just want to confirm your mods for the site I use hear in the UK. It's mainly full of Busa guys who think 12's aren't buildable. I want to tell them about your hp but first want to get my facts correct.
Your bike is making 222hpSAE. (1375 + 4.6mm crank = 1428).
What cams do you have?.
Any other mods?
I know I'm being a pain in the ass but I just want to shut them Busa mouths up.
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entropy
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posted January 20, 2003 05:37 AM
NM, you are NOT being a pain in the ass; I LOVE talking about this stuff
my basic hp mods are:
Muzzy billet crank (4.6mm)
Muzzy billet big block, gives 1427 w/4.6mm crank
Lee's cams, intake and exhaust
"Lee's" aftermarket Busa valve springs (yes indeed, busa)
Bear stacks (5mm shorter than OEM)
very mild port clean up
crank balancer off
Brock's StreetSmart step pipe Hindle
Monster snorkle (adds anything???)
Nutec SP5
de-oiled K&N filters
I know that 222 is not a world record (bahahahahahahahaha...), but it is an honest number. The dyno I use is NOT a happy dyno. It gave me:
188-190+/- for 1361, Akro
192-4 for 1375 w/ Lees cams, Akro
203+/- for 1375 w/ Lees cams using nutec, Akro
222 for 1427 w/Lees cams, Nutec, Brock's SS Hindle step pipe
BTW: where in UK are you. I will be going to London, Pembroke, Aberdeen during the week of Feb 17. Maybe I can buy you a pint or two... You do have Bud Lite there don't you???
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posted January 20, 2003 06:20 AM
Anyone think that the Snorkle would make more HP if just the Opening was decreased in size? (Of course other than me!)
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posted January 20, 2003 07:09 AM
Entropy,
Thanks for the spec mate. I live in Bournemoth (south coast) about 1hr 30mins from London. It would be great if we could meet up for a few beers in London and YES we do have Bud Lite plus a shit load of English beers that I'm sure you would love to taste. I have given my e-mail below so before you come contact me and I will give you my phone number and we can arrange a meet up.
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posted January 20, 2003 07:11 AM
Entropy,
Forgot........
My e-mail ringside@video01.fsnet.co.uk
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posted January 20, 2003 07:57 AM
quote:
Anyone think that the Snorkle would make more HP if just the Opening was decreased in size? (Of course other than me!)
VH,
That's a good thought, and MUCH easier to accomplish than doing some back to backs removing the Hans, and replacing it with the OEM snorkle. I'm a lazy cuss!
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entropy
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posted January 20, 2003 08:17 AM
nm,
I was kidding about the BudLite, but i'll drink just about anything that doesn't require a straw.
I just pinged you by email.
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posted January 20, 2003 08:46 AM
Entropy - I imagine you just want to RIDE IT now but I bet the bottleneck now (ha ha, a 222hp 'bottleneck') is your cylinder head - with all that displacement and cam, the stock ports are small. I'm guessing, but for $800 you could prolly get another 10hp, without sacrificing much low-rpm port velocity.
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posted January 20, 2003 05:18 PM
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... but for $800 you could prolly get another 10hp...
ZRXD,
you are a bad, BAD man...
I don't need any more!!! yet... hmmmmmmm... on the other hand...
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posted January 20, 2003 09:09 PM
He just loves to leave a little in the bag, Dean. Gives him an excuse to tear it apart further down the road.
Can't wait to see it run, Karl. We'll have to enroll you in the shootout class next time.
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posted January 20, 2003 11:09 PM
Good to see you on line with the machine Entropy. And 222 isn't anything to sneeze at. Sounds like it should kick ass. As for the snorkel... It is still all theory! If indeed it makes less power, then everyone running K&N's and or any other free flowing filters are also making less power! Leave the snorkel alone and enjoy the damn thing!!!
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