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posted November 17, 2009 03:26 AM
stick coils...
I pulled the coils/plugs Sat night and noticed 3 things:
1. # 1 coil had a tannish dust on the coil body below the rubber seal; never seen that before?????
2. #2 coil "popped up" while on the dyno; I was sure i fully seated it when i last did a leakdown. Andy says the clip in the coil is getting tired, not grabbling the plug. Anyone else have coils that pop up?
3. The rubber gaskets on the coils that prevent water & such from getting down on the plugs are starting to get torn up from so many R&R's. Anyone know where to get those things??
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posted November 17, 2009 04:20 AM
entropy
never heard befor ! i have troubles to get them of !
try to get a coil set at ebay ?
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posted November 17, 2009 04:26 AM
woppi,
if you grease the rubber gasket things they will go on n' off easily, but maybe the grease deteriorates the rubber. I will use silicone next time.
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posted November 17, 2009 05:36 AM
I use electrolic grease on mine. Nonconductive and keeps the water out.
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posted November 17, 2009 06:17 AM
 Edited By: oldkawboy on 17 Nov 2009 14:20
Karl,
There's a guy over on the ZRX board (ZRXOA.com) that makes stick coil kits to replace the stock coils on the ZRX's. I bought a kit for the turbo bike and he's great to deal with.
His board name is Rexter and he's in the classified section.
He usually has spare parts, etc.
Dan
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posted November 17, 2009 08:22 AM
Dan,
are the ZRX sticks the same as the ZX12??
thx for the tip
Karl
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posted November 17, 2009 08:46 AM
ive been using wd 40 to make them slide in a bit better(a million and 1 uses and counting)
Teddy, is that the same as dielectric grease?
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posted November 17, 2009 08:55 AM
Edited By: KZScott on 17 Nov 2009 17:01
Karl, quick search on kawasaki.com show the following bikes to use the same stick coils
ZX1200-A1 (Ninja ZX-12R) (2000)
ZX1200-A2 (Ninja ZX-12R) (2001)
ZX1200-B1 (Ninja ZX-12R) (2002)
ZX1200-B2 (Ninja ZX-12R) (2003)
ZX900-C1 (Ninja ZX-9R) (1998)
ZX900-C2 (Ninja ZX-9R) (1999)
ZX900-E1 (Ninja ZX-9R) (2000)
ZX900-E2 (Ninja ZX-9R) (2001)
ZX900-F1 (Ninja ZX-9R) (2002)
ZX900-F2 (Ninja ZX-9R) (2003)
you would think the 04 05 would have the same coil?
the following came up for the later style coil
ER650A6F (ER-6n (Australian)) (2006)
ER650A6S (ER-6n (European)) (2006)
ER650A7F (ER-6n (Australian)) (2007)
ER650A7F (ER-6n (European)) (2007)
ER650A8F (ER-6n (Australian)) (2008)
ER650A8F (ER-6n (European)) (2008)
ER650C9F (ER-6n) (2009)
ER650CAF (ER-6n) (2010)
EX650A6F (Ninja 650R) (2006)
EX650A7F (Ninja 650R) (2007)
EX650A8F (Ninja 650R) (2008)
EX650C9F (Ninja 650R) (2009)
EX650CAF (Ninja 650R) (2010)
KLE650A7F (Versys (Canada Only)) (2007)
KLE650A7F (Versys (European)) (2007)
KLE650A8F (Versys (European)) (2008)
KLE650A8F (Versys) (2008)
KLE650A9F (Versys (European)) (2009)
KLE650A9F (Versys) (2009)
ZR1000-A1 (Z1000) (2003)
ZR1000-A1H (Z1000 (European)) (2003)
ZR1000-A2 (Z1000) (2004)
ZR1000-A2H (Z1000 (European)) (2004)
ZR1000-A3 (Z1000) (2005)
ZR1000-A3H (Z1000 (European)) (2005)
ZR1000A6F (Z1000 (European)) (2006)
ZR1000A6F (Z1000) (2006)
ZR1000B7F (Z1000 (European)) (2007)
ZR1000B7F (Z1000) (2007)
ZR1000B8F (Z1000 (European)) (2008)
ZR1000B8F (Z1000) (2008)
ZR1000B9F (Z1000 (European)) (2009)
ZR750-K1 (Z750S) (2005)
ZR750K6F (Z750S) (2006)
ZR750L7F (Z750 (Australian)) (2007)
ZR750L7F (Z750 (European)) (2007)
ZR750L8F (Z750 (Australian)) (2008)
ZR750L8F (Z750 (European)) (2008)
ZR750L9F (Z750 (European)) (2009)
ZX1200-B3 (Ninja ZX-12R) (2004)
ZX1200-B4 (Ninja ZX-12R) (2005)
ZX1200B6F (Ninja ZX-12R (European)) (2006)
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 17, 2009 09:34 AM
KZScott,where did you come up with that cross reference?
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posted November 17, 2009 09:44 AM
in the parts diagrams on kawasaki.com. after you find what the part number is for the bike you have, you change the search feature from model to part number at the top, and copy the number in there. hit search and it brings up every bike that takes the same part
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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posted November 17, 2009 09:58 AM
Thanks Scott for the info.
Karl,
The ZRX has the old style twin coils, the kit converts it to a late model (ZX14) stick system.
Different bikes have different ohm ratings so choose wisely!
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posted November 17, 2009 10:04 AM
Correct. Some of the stick coils are 1.5 ohm and others are less than a ohm.
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posted November 17, 2009 10:07 AM
Scott,
VERY cool find!!!!!
Dan,
I don't need sticks, just the lil rubber gasket things.
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posted November 17, 2009 10:10 AM
quote:
ive been using wd 40 to make them slide in a bit better(a million and 1 uses and counting)
Scott,
WD40 is good for lotsa stuff, but beware...
i'm told it "stings", and it tastes like shit.
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posted November 17, 2009 10:21 AM
 dont wanna know...
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 17, 2009 10:25 AM
i think the garage barbies told entropy some funny things ?? about wd40 ??
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posted November 17, 2009 10:56 AM
I use Fuchs Chemplex 710 (or whatever its new model designation is) from McMaster-Carr (#1418K31 Electrical Insulating Synthetic Grease Standard, 5.3-Ounce Tube, 385 Dielectric Strength).
"Excellent for lubricating battery terminals and other electrical devices. These translucent white greases are corrosion resistant and contain a silica thickener that won't react with rubber. Suitable for use on O-rings, gaskets, and seals in vacuum systems."
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posted November 17, 2009 11:24 AM
One again...........good info!
Thanks,
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posted November 17, 2009 04:03 PM
Karl,
These coils get very hot and deteriorate over time. Wouldn't hurt to replace 'em. That dusting could be evidence of arcing in there. Could this coincide with your loss of high rpm performance????
I think that the coil probably popped up because the drain hole in the plug well may be plugged keeping the plug well from venting.
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posted November 17, 2009 05:31 PM
^^^^ i was gonna say this same thing.. as well, the tan might be surface rust fro mthe steel plug body.. typically, when the coils start to break the insulation down, it'll swiss cheese the rubber and carbonize it from the heat..
carbon is conductive..
now you've REALLY got a good path to ground. like doug said, high rpm performance is almost ALWAYS affected with coil failure. i've seen it almost every time. part of what sets the saturation point (time) of the coil up is it's ability to resist jumping to ground too early.. if it's got an easier path ( other than the sparkplug) your secondary voltage output is now cut back by whatever percentage it takes to arc around the insulation to ground.
i KNOW for an R6 they're about 30-40 a piece.. it's a worthwhile investment.. keep them as psares maybe.. but don't trust them too much longer
wd-40, to my knowledge, is dieelctric. i suggest any silicon-based grease tho.. the silicon keeps the rubber pliable and in good insulating condition.
as far as the coil popping off, i like what doug said, but was sorta unaware of any vents liek that.. so, me.. i'd almost learn towards general metal fatigue (of the socket in te coil end) and axial vibration.
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posted November 17, 2009 05:51 PM
Karl - aren't your coils fairly new? I thought you replaced them back when you were trying to exorcise your electrical gremlins.
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posted November 17, 2009 06:02 PM
Edited By: KZScott on 18 Nov 2009 02:03
he did get a new wiring harness i believe and the ACR-2 for stronger spark?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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