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posted September 19, 2009 03:46 PM
bang clunk clunk
Draining the oil out now.I didn't even make a full pass today and it wouldn't shift out of second.Spinning the back wheel on stands and I hear rattling noises right behind front sprocket.If I do need a gear set,can I pull the engine and just unbolt the bottom without touching the head/cylinders?
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KZScott
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posted September 19, 2009 04:05 PM
yes you can get the trans out by just splitting the cases and not removing the top end, but for the price of a HG i would take it all apart and clean out the chunks of gears. time to give Mark @ R&D a call?
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posted September 19, 2009 04:35 PM
I was more worried about putting it together right.I no so good.Looking at those pieces at the bottom of the pan,I have to flush everything anyways.Jim,do you want to tell Sherman sorry for me?LOL
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posted September 19, 2009 05:01 PM
looks like you need what i have. the works from R&D, billet 1-4 output gears, back cut, drum mod, HD clips. you are making a lot of power....
if you dont pull the top end, i would first check the oil pump. if its not scarred up you may be fine with just pulling the valve cover and flushing out the oil passage ways down and out
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted September 19, 2009 06:33 PM
Pete,
sorry to hear about yr trans; i know exactly your pain.
do not short cut, pull the entire motor down, clean everything!!!
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aliveagain
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posted September 19, 2009 07:16 PM
I'm a little concerned about the pieces that aren't from the gears.
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posted September 20, 2009 07:10 PM
damn buddy.. sorry to see/hear that. 
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posted September 21, 2009 04:05 AM
After cleaning the cases and looking at where the gear hit the case,there is a small crack about an inch long to the mating serface.How can I repair this?
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posted September 21, 2009 06:00 AM
Got a pic ? Maybe it can be tigged or sealed another way
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted September 21, 2009 06:24 AM
Call R n D.
Spare no money, get the works.
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posted September 21, 2009 07:40 AM
Damn Pete,
you got a lot of luck....... but it's all bad
you need some (55gal drum) of Karls anti ju-ju dust!!!!!
I hope the worst is behind you, and I'd weld that for nothing
but my leads won't reach damn it!
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posted September 21, 2009 07:55 AM
FYI, it is a HUGE PITA to do it with the engine in.........
I would get it out, and at least turn it upside down in a stand..........,
The KnL stands work nice
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posted September 21, 2009 07:59 AM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 21 Sep 2009 15:59
Pete, just a thought...new project.
You are going to spend a ton of time and money....again.
I hate to sound negative...but a cracked case as well? There comes a point that you have consider moving on....
I just see diminishing returns on this project bike.
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posted September 21, 2009 07:59 AM
quote:
Damn Pete,
you got a lot of luck....... but it's all bad
you need some (55gal drum) of Karls anti ju-ju dust!!!!!
I hope the worst is behind you, and I'd weld that for nothing
but my leads won't reach damn it!
Just stating the obvious,but you'll notice there have been no garage barbies in my pictures.Karl may just have something there.Kind of like the "Might at the museum".
I tried taking a picture but the camera couldn't focus at that close a range.
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posted September 21, 2009 08:41 AM
Pete,
don't get discouraged, unless the crack is in a structural area, just get it welded.
A replacement trans is generally available for a couple hundred bux on ebay.
You are a big dude, so if you want to drag race, you might have to put a ton of money into the trans.
If you restrict yrself to the street don't bother with $2000 trans work. Waste of money.
My daughter has more Barbies available for Garage Training, but be warned, I already took the slutty, cigarette-smoking ones.
You might end up with a couple of Jehova Withness Barbies, luck of the draw.
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posted September 21, 2009 09:30 AM
Realistically, if you blew the trans apart once, you can expect it to happen again if you don't change something...either ride it more gently, or beef it up. The cost to do my trans, without billet gears, approached $1k for parts and machine work. Labor is, of course, up to you to decide.
My thought is...if I were building a 1427...
It would have the best parts in it. Including the trans, rods, clutch....you name it.
The woes with the 12R trans are sufficiently documented at this point. There is really no question about what it takes to make it stronger.
I wouldn't suggest that you get discouraged...but I'd be realistic about what it is going to cost to fix it right. Then decide if you want to invest the money.
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posted September 21, 2009 11:09 AM
Shane we are saying the same thing 
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posted September 21, 2009 11:26 AM
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Shane we are saying the same thing
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posted September 21, 2009 11:36 AM
"I already took the slutty, cigarette-smoking ones"
That's the only kind!
I talked to MadMike and he had one that FBG worked on.I thought the billet gears were more fragile (because they are harder)than stock.If it was second gear that went,that is the one with the longest throw,correct?Trying to think about the adjustment on the air shifter.Has anyone had their case welded?There is a local who is well known with the Harley guys for welding aluminum.
There comes a point that you have consider moving on....
I considered parting out the bike but I suck at selling things.My luck would have me sell a couple of big items and then get caught with a half stripped bike and not enough to get another bike.
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posted September 21, 2009 12:44 PM
Don't know how much you want to spend but it took 10 years to tear that stock trans up.
Just put another one in, you probably won't have that bike when it goes the next time.
IMO the worked trans is better for racers than riders.
my .02 on spend on a 10 year old bike, unless you plan on riding it until the wheels fall off.
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posted September 21, 2009 01:11 PM
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opps double post.
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posted September 21, 2009 03:51 PM
Edited By: Stuart Racing on 21 Sep 2009 23:55
Maybe the crack was already there and you missed it and that`s what caused it the break this trans. Just a thought.....On KZ motors, if the trans. blew apart it would crack the case right by the out put shaft and some would miss it and just put another transmission in and boom, it would happen again....I would go with another set of cases, but thats just me....But I have seen them welded up and work great too....But with whats been happening to your motor lately.....
Good luck....
I do have a trans. I just took out of my motor, but it would deffinetly need to be DONE UP.....But any trans would need to be worked on in your situation just to be safe.....
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posted September 21, 2009 03:55 PM
the billet gears are not brittle, they will actually bend, then flex back under extreme load and be fine where a stock gear would shatter. have you seen the billet gears beside a stock set of gears? no comparison. the billet gears are waaaay beefier. give Mark at R&D a call and get him to explain it to you.
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted September 21, 2009 04:15 PM
compare the 2 gears below. both are first gear. one is stock, the other is Robinson (what R&D uses). which one would you want in your trans dragracing with a big nasty motor?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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posted September 21, 2009 06:50 PM
Hope these pics show it a little better
As much as I would like to send it out,I'm just broke Yeah it would be nice to have the gears done,give Jim the head and buy some cams,steering damper,Nox clutch set up,and full garage barbie slut club,it just ain't going to happen.I almost just wanted to seal it somehow but would be concerned if it blew again .It would definitely put some tire shine on the back tire.
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