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posted September 14, 2009 12:17 PM
The motor for my 12R is done, so I'll hopefully be having some fun at the dragstrip with it in the Spring. It has been a couple of years since I made a pass on it....
  
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posted September 14, 2009 12:20 PM
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i am going to bypass the drawbacks of a turbo and mount a high pressure bottle of pure oxygen instead of nos. should be explosive speed.
What ever happend to Jere/238mph? Guy kinda fell off the face of the earth.
I think he took his stopwatch and went home. 
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posted September 14, 2009 12:24 PM
hope you remember how to slide a clutch on the 12.hahahah though i imagin it is bigger than 1200. i still can not get over the torque difference on johns 06 busa to mine. it was night and day.mine all top end his mid range to low.
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posted September 14, 2009 12:29 PM
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hope you remember how to slide a clutch on the 12.hahahah though i imagin it is bigger than 1200. i still can not get over the torque difference on johns 06 busa to mine. it was night and day.mine all top end his mid range to low.
Yeah, the 14 will spoil you. I had a lot of fun destroying the clutch on Racheal's GSXR 1000 though, and it was the first bike I went 9's on. 9.91 footshifting and I was about 235 lbs. suited at the time. It was sitting about 5" over stock, whatever that comes out to be.
Still, a lot of fun. In some ways though, I think the 12 is the worst of all worlds at the dragstrip. Not a lot of torque, but big hp and somewhat peaky.
Yes, my motor is now a 1287...
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posted September 14, 2009 01:01 PM
i know with the 1270 in my bike even being smaller than a older busa the tables will be over turned for once.
my first ever pass on a 05 gsxr1000 with a bolt on, strapped and geared was a 9.99. second was a 9.82. i know the third would of been in the 9.70s cause it was glued to the track at 9.82. it was a lot of fun.some times there is a up side to brakeing your bike. though i always hit the limiter or screw up on tshults bike for some reason.
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posted September 14, 2009 01:08 PM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 14 Sep 2009 21:08
Racheals' bike is an 03, I'd like to ride a new one. I only made a few passes on my 06 10R before I traded it, and they were all sloooooow.
I "learned" to dragrace on my stock w/b 12R. At 250+ lbs. suited, the best I ever managed were mid 1.7 foots and 10.1's. Looking back at those vids is funny now. 
My biggest issue with any of the bikes has been horribly slow footshifting. They invented airshifters for guys like me.
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posted September 14, 2009 01:37 PM
i clean shift mine yet. i am not convinced the air shifters are the way to go for me anyway. too many friends have issues with them. and for those guys it is speratic in not working and working everything else being the same except for the day. the fast friend mike (should say quick since i have more mph on him haha) uses the setup that you foot shift it and it kills the engine when you pull up.his never messes up that i have seen. now i need to get his 60ft.then i will worry about shifting. since i took half of the heavy springs out of the clutch i may be able to flat shift it again.
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posted September 14, 2009 01:44 PM
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i clean shift mine yet. i am not convinced the air shifters are the way to go for me anyway. too many friends have issues with them. and for those guys it is speratic in not working and working everything else being the same except for the day. the fast friend mike (should say quick since i have more mph on him haha) uses the setup that you foot shift it and it kills the engine when you pull up.his never messes up that i have seen. now i need to get his 60ft.then i will worry about shifting. since i took half of the heavy springs out of the clutch i may be able to flat shift it again.
Air shifters are solid, if you set them up properly and do the proper maintenance. I've seen a lot of guys complain about them, but not address the issues causing the problem.
I had a few issues with mine, but it is just about perfect now. Those issues were due to me not knowing how to properly set one up. I think I have missed 4 or 5 shifts in the last 100 passes...and those were likely due to operator error. I have one final small tweak to mine, and I'm calling it complete.
The Quickshifter is fine, but you still need to lift your leg up to shift, and that can get the bike out of the groove. That's a bigger issue (getting out of the groove) the longer the bike gets. Plus, lifting the leg up often raises your cg. I have a lot of videos and every time I pulled my leg up the bike would start to wheelie.
As with anything else, you have to set the bike up in a way that you can ride it...for some that is footshifting, for others air, electric, etc...
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posted September 14, 2009 01:50 PM
Shane,
that tuck you have in yr lil pic; strive for that off the line thru 330'
(except move fwd a bit)
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posted September 14, 2009 01:51 PM
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i am going to bypass the drawbacks of a turbo and mount a high pressure bottle of pure oxygen instead of nos. should be explosive speed.
What ever happend to Jere/238mph? Guy kinda fell off the face of the earth.
I think he took his stopwatch and went home.
To this day, that "claim" makes me laugh...
For those who are unaware of this engineering mastermind, here's his claim to fame.
Guy takes a car that can only be described as looking like a Go-Kart on I95... hauls ass for miles then uses a stopwatch and mile markers to measure his own speed (while driving on I95 at supposedly 238mph). No datalogging, No GPS, No Witnesses, No Timing lights.... just a guy and a stopwatch in a Go-Kart powered by a Nascar engine... .fueled by hopes and dreams.
Then goes on for the next decade calling himself, "238mph".
I miss that guy! haha
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posted September 14, 2009 01:52 PM
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that tuck you have in yr lil pic; strive for that off the line thru 330'
(except move fwd a bit)
just my advice
I hope I can get to that point, Karl, I don't think I can fit my body in that space while in the lower part of the step seat? I'm going to practice it, though...
Jason Miller teaches that, keeping your same body positioning from launch to the traps...
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posted September 14, 2009 01:53 PM
you need to get with tshults then some time. between it leaking sometimes or not shifting all the gears sometimes but it will do some some times . help him.
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posted September 14, 2009 01:55 PM
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you need to get with tshults then some time. between it leaking sometimes or not shifting all the gears sometimes but it will do some some times . help him.
Next time I see him, I'll look at it. My shifter will hold pressure/volume for over a week, at least...
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posted September 14, 2009 02:05 PM
i think he got pissed off at people bashing him(238). i know at work some did not believe my old doge could wrap the spedo past the high beam indicator with 410 gears factory (so speedo was set up for 410 gears) that made me mad them thinking i was telling stories. first question was what no way what rpms you at. i say no tach cause i did not want to know. then no one wanted to go for a pass.in the truck there goes my fun. i just got to blow past them when they were doing about 100. pusies. and posers all of them.
i do know when my duster is up to speed i can drive it with one hand and stopwatch two marker signs with the other hand then stop and see the difference. and i would not care how accurate i was to the .1mph. if i showed 190mph on a stop watch between signes doing the fps math i would believe i was with in 10 mph and be happy. gps is a better choice though and i do not think i would want to take the duster with 3.55 gears to maxton and sit in it going over 170 with stock A arms. i do think about it though since i took the zx12 there.maybe even take a record from that old commander with a small block in it.
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posted September 14, 2009 02:07 PM
he is not short strokeing it. it seems to only use half the cylinder to the shift. is that ok ?
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posted September 14, 2009 02:15 PM
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he is not short strokeing it. it seems to only use half the cylinder to the shift. is that ok ?
If the shifter moves freely up and down, the most common problem I see is running out of stroke on the cylinder during upshifts. Also, the assembly can bind if not set up properly. The angle of the shift cylinder can also impact reliability. I would have to look at it in person.
The kill time should be set fairly high if you have a stock trans. Then there is the issue of where you have mounted the solenoid. And, of course, making sure that your coil connections (if used) are good. And finally, the rider aspect of not just "brushing" the shift button...but really "stabbing" it.
Regarding leaks, the less connections, the better. But leaks can be found fairly easily, if of significance.
So, you can see that there are a few different areas to go over, systematically.
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posted September 14, 2009 03:48 PM
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i clean shift mine yet. i am not convinced the air shifters are the way to go for me anyway. too many friends have issues with them. and for those guys it is speratic in not working and working everything else being the same except for the day. the fast friend mike (should say quick since i have more mph on him haha) uses the setup that you foot shift it and it kills the engine when you pull up.his never messes up that i have seen. now i need to get his 60ft.then i will worry about shifting. since i took half of the heavy springs out of the clutch i may be able to flat shift it again.
Mike has the dale walker electric shifter
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posted September 14, 2009 03:58 PM
And finally, the rider aspect of not just "brushing" the shift button...but really "stabbing" it.
Regarding leaks, the less connections, the better. But leaks can be found fairly easily, if of significance.
So, you can see that there are a few different areas to go over, systematically.
Shane
I think the problem was that i was not hitting the shift button hard enuf. last time at the grove it worked perfect..I did adjust the shifter ram to give it a little more travel.
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posted September 14, 2009 06:24 PM
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i think he got pissed off at people bashing him(238). i know at work some did not believe my old doge could wrap the spedo past the high beam indicator with 410 gears factory (so speedo was set up for 410 gears) that made me mad them thinking i was telling stories. first question was what no way what rpms you at. i say no tach cause i did not want to know. then no one wanted to go for a pass.in the truck there goes my fun. i just got to blow past them when they were doing about 100. pusies. and posers all of them.
i do know when my duster is up to speed i can drive it with one hand and stopwatch two marker signs with the other hand then stop and see the difference. and i would not care how accurate i was to the .1mph. if i showed 190mph on a stop watch between signes doing the fps math i would believe i was with in 10 mph and be happy. gps is a better choice though and i do not think i would want to take the duster with 3.55 gears to maxton and sit in it going over 170 with stock A arms. i do think about it though since i took the zx12 there.maybe even take a record from that old commander with a small block in it.
Have you seen Jere's Gokart? Do you think you'd be able to do well over 200mph in that thing on a PUBLIC highway like I-95 while holding the wheel with one hand and keeping an eye on the mile markers?
I think not...
Truth be told, he had that contraption for over a decade.... he never once took it to an LSR event or even bothered to pick up a $100 gps to actually see what his creation was capable of doing. That tells me he knew it wasn't a 238mph car, or anything remotely close to that.
It's not like he never had the opportunity, he was always bragging about his weekend rides through the desert and how he could hold his 14 pinned for miles and miles.
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posted September 14, 2009 06:32 PM
well i probally know why he never took it to a lsr event. looking what i need to do to my duster to make the switch just to try it out is going to be another expencive weekend at maxton. hell where would he mount the extinguishing system on that thing?
all kidding aside i would love to take my 600+hp duster there to see what it will do. i just do not see my self doing it soon money wise. it would need tires, torque converter,fire system,exhaust changed ,dofferent hood or no scoop on hood and get a bug catcher for the carb or tunnelram. i wish i could just get speed rated fronts and 3.55 gears and stand on it.
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posted September 15, 2009 05:17 AM
A $100 gps is not expensive, and the desert highways are free and always open.
He had no excuse, especially since he had the car for over a decade.
Oh, he'd probably hold the fire extinguisher with his other hand and steer the wheel at 238mph with his left knee..... all while trying to look for the mile markers and hit the stopwatch at the exact moment he crossed both markers.
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posted September 15, 2009 11:47 AM
i have a feeling you would not believe a gps if he had one and had a high mph. it could be someones airplane.
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posted September 15, 2009 11:56 AM
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i have a feeling you would not believe a gps if he had one and had a high mph. it could be someones airplane.
Dennis, that guy 238 is a king bullshitter. I even caught him claiming to show a vid of him pulling like a one mile+ long wheelie...then I looked up a post where he said he only filmed his buddy doing it.
I mean, he didn't seem like a bad guy...but sure seemed to be full of shit.
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posted September 15, 2009 12:07 PM
yes it may be so but i have been reading posts a number of years and if i showed a gps shot of my duster and a gps with say 195mph i know phantom would want more proof. bullshitter or not if he is not and does get a gps and shows a high mph it will not be believed either. so what is the point of bashing him any more. i would expect it to be done to me. but i have more normal expectations of my equipment. honestly did you believe i would get 190 out of my ninga on that stupid hot day?(it was what i was really hopeing for, the first pass at 183 on the windy day was a wow i got some things to work on moment)
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posted September 15, 2009 12:14 PM
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yes it may be so but i have been reading posts a number of years and if i showed a gps shot of my duster and a gps with say 195mph i know phantom would want more proof. bullshitter or not if he is not and does get a gps and shows a high mph it will not be believed either. so what is the point of bashing him any more. i would expect it to be done to me. but i have more normal expectations of my equipment. honestly did you believe i would get 190 out of my ninga on that stupid hot day?(it was what i was really hopeing for, the first pass at 183 on the windy day was a wow i got some things to work on moment)
I wasn't surprised at your 190...Racheal went 193 on my 12, on 93 octane pump gas, on her 2nd full pass (first pass ran out of gear). And it just so happens that Phantom is the one who loaned us the sprocket!
Personally, I think when people make big bullshit claims it makes the guys who try hard look bad. Like, "Joe Blow went 220 mph on his stock A model, why did you only go 185...you must suck". It minimizes the accomplishments of others.
Again, that is just my opinion...
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