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posted September 06, 2009 02:48 PM
gearing with a MT slick?
finally got dads slick n bar bike to the track. 65 in WB, MT 7 in slick, pingle bars, MTC single stage lock up. motor is a 12.9:1 CR 1287, stock cams and valves, a light port match/ clean up done by me to the head, Muzzy SW, K&Ns. 260 lb suited driver. the track wasnt really prepped well so we were having wheel spin issues untill today(tire is over a yr old also so it may not be as good as it should be). he was running a bunch of low 9.4s @ 141-145 today. we turned the 2 step up and it launched a lot better, but was on the rev limiter at the end of the track. ran 9.37 @128. did it not shift or did he run out of gear?? we have it set up with 17 56 gearing, it auto shifts at around 12000 indicated (BBS auto shifter set at 11000 to trigger the NLR 2 step/kill box)
it shifted fine every other pass. he thinks it ran out of gear, im not sure. i have an 18 front we could try, and 50, 51, 52 rear.
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posted September 06, 2009 03:24 PM
Scott...Im not typing this to bash or saying how good i am...
I went to MIR this past friday and ran a 9.35 @ 147, 9.40 @ 147, 2- 9.41, 3- 9.43's, 2- 9.44's, 9.47, 9.48.....2002, 12 stock motor, stock clutch, 16-47gearing, foot shifting @ 61inches with pump gas and no pc...mph were from 147-144 due to heat and a little different shift points, but never past the redline...
Its really hard to say what the problem is because you guys have alot of variables added into your equations!!!.....What i do know is that 12's, 14's, Busa's are no bar bikes and dont work well with 2 steps and bars...Then your having the bike auto shift @ 12,000RPM?..Thats in the limiter!!!...17-56, is too much gear!!!
Less is more!!!
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posted September 06, 2009 03:28 PM
Scott, measure the circumference of the tire and then I can tell you more...
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posted September 06, 2009 03:32 PM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 6 Sep 2009 23:35
It didn't shift. 17/56 on a tire of 77" circumference should run a little over 150 mph at 11500 true rpm in 6th gear.
If it ran over 140 earlier in the day, that is your answer right there...
Use this:
http://www.gearingcommander.com
Remember, you may lose a couple mph off of what the chart says.
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posted September 06, 2009 03:52 PM
Don't listen to crotchrocket.......12's work just fine with bars, slicks and 2-steps......we have three of them down here and two of them are one and two in the probike points.
I'm geared at 16-56. stock motor and run it through all six gears soooo your not running out of gear !!
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posted September 06, 2009 03:57 PM
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Don't listen to crotchrocket.......12's work just fine with bars, slicks and 2-steps......we have three of them down here and two of them are one and two in the probike points.
I'm geared at 16-56. stock motor and run it through all six gears soooo your not running out of gear !!
Minor threadjack...what kind of #'s are you running, and what is your setup?
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posted September 06, 2009 04:10 PM
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Scott...Im not typing this to bash or saying how good i am...
I went to MIR this past friday and ran a 9.35 @ 147, 9.40 @ 147, 2- 9.41, 3- 9.43's, 2- 9.44's, 9.47, 9.48.....2002, 12 stock motor, stock clutch, 16-47gearing, foot shifting @ 61inches with pump gas and no pc...mph were from 147-144 due to heat and a little different shift points, but never past the redline...
Its really hard to say what the problem is because you guys have alot of variables added into your equations!!!.....What i do know is that 12's, 14's, Busa's are no bar bikes and dont work well with 2 steps and bars...Then your having the bike auto shift @ 12,000RPM?..Thats in the limiter!!!...17-56, is too much gear!!!
Less is more!!!
did you read the post??? its set at 11000 actual. i shift at just past 12000 indicated and my logger shows usually around 11300 actual. not in the limiter...
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00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
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posted September 06, 2009 04:11 PM
mine is a '02.... the bike is 490 lbs ready to race. +12 swingarm strutted with bars. Stock motor on pump gas. Muzzy sidewinder with a Murry megaphone. Adams oil pan. MTC slider. No cooling system. Leave on a NLR 2-step. It's been 8.97 at 147 on a good track...and what's better is its been 5.67 in the 1/8. a good sixty footer is 1.32 - 1.34
My buddy has a similar setup '01...... but ALOT lighter a 435 Lbs ready to go and it'll run 8.70's
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posted September 06, 2009 04:12 PM
thank you Roy and Shane !
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00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted September 06, 2009 04:18 PM
his best mph was a 145, still sitting in the lower part of the step seat, hes still getting used to the bike, but having a blast  . once he gets more comfortable ill try to get him to get up on the step seat and lay down more
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted September 06, 2009 05:23 PM
Just curious Scott. How much air do you have in the M/T?
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posted September 06, 2009 05:31 PM
6psi
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted September 06, 2009 06:22 PM
Thanks Scott.
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posted September 06, 2009 07:55 PM
np, oh forgot to mention, his best run was a 9.30 at 144. i think it was with a 1.47 60. the goal is 8.99. i think a 1.35 60 may be possible, but its a heavy combo, hes going to get the billet low first for next season. untill then we will keep upping the 2 step and adding shim untill we have too much wheel spin. just need to tune and practise
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted September 06, 2009 09:29 PM
zxboy...There is 1 big key difference between your set up & kzScotts dad's set up...
The SLIDER !!!!!
Anybike with a Slider will ET like a mofo...
Sorry to tell it like it is, just trying to help!!!
I guess you guys think Im a jerkoff 
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posted September 07, 2009 05:11 AM
you dont need a slider to get ET, so no your arent "telling it like it is" there was a bar bike at our track a few weeks ago running a single stage. he doesnt like sliders, and was showing me his setup. very nice guy, anyway to make a long story short, hes been high 7s
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted September 07, 2009 05:26 AM
Scott your killin me...We are all talking ZX12's here.....I know your not talking about a 12 going high 7's 
AND YES, Sliders ET better than any clutch set up...If you compare same bikes with different clutch set ups!!!
I learned that, so I pass it on!!!
Why do you think most GRUDGE BIKES have SLIDERS ???
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posted September 07, 2009 05:27 AM
why does it matter what type of bike its on?
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00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted September 07, 2009 10:25 AM
Scott, turn the auto shift down to 11,800
16/56 on a 7 inch slick will go through the traps......(reliably Crotchrocket..., if it is set up right, I did it for years, most guys have them set up wrong, clutch, chassis, bar hieght, ect.)
back down the shift point, and it will be fine........, unless there is something else going on.......
what was the short time........, I was like 1.32 with 16/56, and like 136 with 16/52, or 16/54, depending on if I wanted a 5 speed or 6 speed
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posted September 07, 2009 10:31 AM
Most grudge bikes have sliders, because they eliminate problems with the left and right hand, etc.
a lock up can give fits if the rider is not consistent. the slider is different.
saying it was not set up as a bar bike originally is the problem is bunk.
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posted September 07, 2009 10:33 AM
Oh, those 1.32s were on a single stage muzzy lock up..........., 5.72 at 122. READ (MPH on a bar bike means nothing!!!!, et is everything.)
damn, what could nox have done with a slider..........hmmmmm?????
and that was with no pc, and no pipe........
myth busters should read this.
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posted September 07, 2009 10:34 AM
Scott, I will give you a call shortly.........
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posted September 07, 2009 02:26 PM
I think we have it figured out Nox, thx.
it was the only time the bike has ever not shifted(tons of test runs on the road besides on the track lol), so maybe it was spinning. i was at the line on dads last pass of the day, it bogged some off the line. we know what to do.
we are trying to move a heavy bike and rider combo, so if we can get 1.40 next trip that will be good progress. he was in the 1.47-1.50 range. the tire is also over a yr old. we are getting a new one to eliminate that variable
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00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted September 07, 2009 09:03 PM
give me a call or email before you take it back, and all........
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posted September 09, 2009 03:08 PM
Scott, just read the post........., about the tire pressure..........
I used to run 5.5 a ton....., at 175lbs.., go up to 7 or 7.5 to start with your dad, it should wrinkle on the line alittle, but not a ton.........
We had a bike this weekend, running a single stage, 16/54 gear, zzr12, launching at 7500, tossing the clutch, at 74 inches, (yes 74), wadding the tire up like a mo fo......., with 10 lbs in it......., those things are HEAVY.
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