sneakyp
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posted October 22, 2002 07:24 PM
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Ive been trying to decide what pipe I am going to install on my 01zx12. Im looking at 3 pipes. Muzzy, Akro, or HMF. I need some help. Please give me some input on these pipes. I whant most HP for my $.
  
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RAC4IT
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posted October 22, 2002 07:30 PM
 Edited By: RAC4IT on 22 Oct 2002 20:31
Muzzys stainless steel system with your choice of canisters will offer the most bang for the buck
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sneakyp
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posted October 22, 2002 07:35 PM
Thanks for info. Ive been racking my brain trying to decide. You read all of these claims about HP, but how do you know without trying every one. Cant afford that.
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VincentHill
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posted October 22, 2002 08:10 PM
Why have you not considered the Step Tube Hindle?? I Sold My Akrapovic "AFTER" Buying it and Testing it! It made 5 Hp more between 3 and 6K Rpm and 10 Ft Pounds of Torque! Peak HP was 8 Hp more! I had 152.6 HP & 89 Ft pounds of torque Stock and with the Hindle Step tube and Bear Stacks, I now have 177.8 HP and 98 ft Pounds of Torque! Cost about the same as the Muzzy!
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Cowboy
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posted October 22, 2002 08:36 PM
Hindle step tube=more power
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sneakyp
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posted October 23, 2002 05:42 AM
I will do some checking on that Hindle & those stacks before I make a decision. Thanks for the input. Those are some impresive #s.
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kingzx12r
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posted October 23, 2002 09:21 AM
I have the hindle stock motor without the balancer 181 hp works for me on three bikes.
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ba
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posted October 23, 2002 04:18 PM
Now Vincent...... You did a BACK-BACK test from Akro to the Step-Hindle??
I'm curious, because I have the step hindle right now.......which I've compared with a few other brands, just not Akrapovic. I had the Akra. on my 00 9R and absolutely loved it. Very awesome pipe which can be had for good price if people shop for it.
SneakyP, I can tell you this without any doubt in my mind.....I've run the Muzzy Stainless against the HMF back to back, Same Day, within an hour or two and can tell you that the Muzzy and HMF are very, very close with perhaps a slight edge to the Muzz from 6200-7800 and again from 8200-9200.
Even the design is practically externally identical, visually, but you will get a slightly different sound with the HMF. It's not quite as harsh.
The Step Hindle is a quality built, great design of a pipe. Lots of work went into it. It's a softer sound than both the HMF and Muzzy, but no where near the muffled sound of the Akra.
The Hindle needs a very unique mapping in the PCIIIR though. It ain't like the HMF or Muzzy for sure.
And just to show you what value numbers are,......I got 182.2 on my HMF, and right behind me was my buddy with his red 12R and Micron 'non-serpent' hitting 181.7. Same day, minutes apart. Stock motors, me with PCIIIR, him without.
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VincentHill
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posted October 23, 2002 05:26 PM
BA The answer is "NO" But! After 1 year of working with the Akra, the best I got was just under 165 HP (152 was stock) 13 HP Increase is good! After 2 months with the Hindle, I was at 177.7 and 98.1 Torque vs 92 for the Akra! If in "OVER" one year, I was unable to get better than 165 with the Akra and in less than 2 months I got 177 with the Hindle (Bear Stacks also)
Are you saying that I missed the Miracle of the Only day that the Akra was going to find 8 more HP?? Remember I was able to get 177 + everytime once I had it mapped with the Hindle!!
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sneakyp
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posted October 24, 2002 07:55 AM
I have an 01zx12r with K&Ns, cat cut out, & crankcase suction mod. The bike pulled 164.4. I recently installed a pontintiometer because I have a lean condition between 80 to 110 MPH per dyno sheet. Hoping that will cure that problem and pick a couple of #s. No other mods.
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MadMike
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posted October 24, 2002 08:07 AM
Muzzy is the way to go I would get the sidwinder!!
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RAC4IT
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posted October 24, 2002 08:19 AM
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BA The answer is "NO" But! After 1 year of working with the Akra, the best I got was just under 165 HP (152 was stock) 13 HP Increase is good! After 2 months with the Hindle, I was at 177.7 and 98.1 Torque vs 92 for the Akra! If in "OVER" one year, I was unable to get better than 165 with the Akra and in less than 2 months I got 177 with the Hindle (Bear Stacks also)
Same dyno?
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BA
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posted October 24, 2002 09:40 AM
Vince: I'm really happy, and jealous, that you're hitting 177 now. You Dawg.
But, like you said, that was with Bear Stacks, whereas the Akra wasn't I presume.  hehe And, was Nutec involved either time???? I'm still stuck at 172 with Hindle and Stacks. (on a 250 dyno) I'm working on it though.
I trust you Vince, I just want to make sure all the data is out in the light.
While I don't think that you mised that MAGIC DAY ( ),....hehe, It's just hard to fathom that data remotely.
You gotta admit though that 165 out of the Akra is a PROBLEM. ANYONE getting only 165 out of a piped, other modded 12R IS HAVING TROUBLE! I feel for ya man!
You can probably get 165 with the STOCK PIPE and modified canister(ie. holes drilled), as long as you also had the synth oil, timing advancer and good air filters. Don't you agree? (oh, I just read Sneaky's post, looks like he did exactly that.)
Good question from Berg wondering if the Akra and Hindle were tested on the same dyno. I guess we're talking about "Corrected numbers" right Vince? SAE, NET, Standard. I always forget what is what. Was it a 250 model??
OH!! MadMike, you actually WILL be getting the Sidewinder,.......AGAIN!
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sneakyp
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posted October 24, 2002 09:59 AM
That 164.4 was on 87 octane fuel & Kawasaki 10-30 oil.
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HCcandy
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posted October 24, 2002 10:26 AM
Jones had a HMF on the 12 but just got a Brock Davidson Enterprises Exhaust..
We just put it on lastnight, he'll be tring it out Fryday Night at the
track. I know the guy that made the pipe was the frist Busa to go 200mph or
something like that, he used the same Exhaust on the busa but this one Jones has is made for the ZX12R.It looks sweet! We'll see!
He just took the HMF off the 9 and put the Akrapvic back onn.
I rolled out and went 9.72 @150 my frist pass then 9.51 @147.50 my last pass
at Orlando.. Oh Ya did I say Orlando Speed World sucks...
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kawachan
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posted October 24, 2002 12:51 PM
My Muzzy does good. VERY happy with it and its sound.
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VincentHill
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posted October 24, 2002 05:20 PM
BA There is only one number SAE Net!! #2, Sunoco or Chevron only! Do you have an "02"?? If not, maybe you want to try my map! It was an original Wayne Laswon, with the understanding of Cliff Randall with my twist and time on it! Serious HP and great fuel mileage! Around 40 MPG!! I have never even "Smelled Nutec"  Still, I thought getting 12 or 13 more HP Was good (Remember I had 152 to begin with! Imagine if I had started with 162 ot 165!! (190 HP Now!!)
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turboblew
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posted October 25, 2002 02:55 AM
You realize that the 2000-01 require 92 octane or better?
Just a thought. The compression is 13:1 or so.
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That 164.4 was on 87 octane fuel & Kawasaki 10-30 oil.
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BA
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posted October 25, 2002 06:07 AM
Hey Vince, I do have an '00 model 12R, so maybe your map *would* be good for me! What kind of A/F ratio are you running on the static dyno? I wonder if it's the same as mine?
Ok! SAE Net, now I need to see what my numbers are!
my email is sportbikeral@hotmail.net
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CrotchRocket
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posted October 27, 2002 05:55 AM
Edited By: CrotchRocket on 27 Oct 2002 05:55
Steve...The lower octane fuel is more oxygenated, which makes more HorsePower!!!...Thats the choice some guys make, but not me...I want longevity from my bikes!!!
As for the Pipe wars...I have the Muzzy on the 2000 and the Akra on the 2002... The Akrapovic is what I like for what I have seen...As for the power differences, well I am not as knowledgable as some of you guys or do I have high skills in DragRacing...So, I would buy the Akrapovic over any other pipe again!!!
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VincentHill
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posted October 27, 2002 09:05 PM
quote:
Hey Vince, I do have an '00 model 12R, so maybe your map *would* be good for me! What kind of A/F ratio are you running on the static dyno? I wonder if it's the same as mine?
Ok! SAE Net, now I need to see what my numbers are!
my email is sportbikeral@hotmail.net
In the low 13's (13.2, 13.3, 13.1, 13.4) These numbers! The main claim to fame is the mapping around 5 to 6 K which removes all of the "On-Off-On" stumble and very smooth from Idle on up!
Let me know if you want a copy!
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