INTRA
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posted October 21, 2002 07:33 PM
Not in the 8's yet.......
Texas shootout,for sure,I thought I'd be in the 8's and then some,but as fate had it,I was stopped short.Bike was adjusted to just under 66",17/48,stock motor,6 degrees retard and resistor ,running very fat,2 stage dry kit,shinko tire,first run(motor)9.4 something @ 145 foot shifting,came in,adjusted the clutch,turned on the bottle,went back out and let me tell ya'll,a 38 jet is way to big to be on the throttle in 1st gear,it wheelied so fast it scared the piss out of me,so I foot shifted to 2nd and then hit the second stage,wheel came up a little,but held it till the end both stages,but saw the tac way into the red before the traps,so I chopped it(I was only in 5th,thought it was 6th)I went a 9.058@156.9mph-and that's the best I would run,I couldn't get the bike to cooperate and after a bad mid 2nd gear wheelie(busted my nuts on the tank),I guess I got pissed and hit both stages hard and tagged the limiter before I could hit the air shifter and I felt it lay down.The motor is locked,and I guess I'm done for the season-sorry guys,I wanted to put up some good #'s for us,Mad Mike,ZXALAN,ENTROPY,BADZXELEVEN,KREXXKEN,CHEESE,GBUSA,AA,shit,everyone was there,you dudes were cool,should have drank a little maybe and take the edge off,Carl took some pics too.
  
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kingzx12r
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posted October 21, 2002 08:13 PM
Tell me I am reading this wrong you did not kill the motor did you? So close to 8s man that sucks I have hit limiter before did you stay into it, the limiter I mean? Email me I want some details so I can help you figure out what went wrong that should not have happened. Do you have a power commander too or just a resistor? email me.
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posted October 21, 2002 08:23 PM
Damn that sucks!! N20 is a drug and as such very addicting and it's easy to overdose! And one reason I gave up on airshifters was I was getting into the limiter on a regular basis so even though I have one on the bike I have no air source connected to prevent me from even thinking about using it. Anyway sorry to hear about the death of your motor.. 
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kzz1
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posted October 21, 2002 09:08 PM
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ZHooligan
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posted October 21, 2002 10:34 PM
Bummer. Sorry to hear the bad news.
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red1
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posted October 22, 2002 06:13 AM
Intra,
Sorry to hear about your bike. King.....I have been considering putting juice on my 12 but am concerned about these types of incidents. Would a progressive controller keep this from happening and shut off if/when you hit the limiter or you could set it to shut off before.
Thanks,
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ZRXDean
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posted October 22, 2002 07:00 AM
That bites INTRA. My bike revs SO much faster on nitrous - I really have to focus on the shiftlight to keep out of the limiter. I put the spray on a WOT switch with a progressive box to soften the hit and make it easier to lift when the front end comes up.
Good luck with the rebuild, hope your crank is OK.
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HCcandy
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posted October 22, 2002 07:07 AM
Dean how did you do this weekend?
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kawachan
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posted October 22, 2002 08:00 AM
Yeah, Joey was trying so hard to get that 8!! I told him he should have put a smaller jet in the WFO side so he could use the big pill to catch in 2nd on to the end. King, INTRA had no PC, just the resistor and retarded 5.5 degrees or so.
First passes on the bike he had to hit the shifter with his left thumb (also first bike he rode with an air-shifter) while staying off of WFO in first so he could launch it hard, then go to WFO in second and STILL in second try to hit the second stage. I guess it was too much to learn in the few passes we had for qualifying. Best thing would have been to learn to use the air shifter on motor only in Street E/T, then try for the gusto in SBS with NOS. On the juice, I am sure it would have helped to have a lower pill for the shift light? Time was kind of short since we finally got the clutch working and bike back together about 7 in the morning right before we got on the way to Baytown.
At least INTRA got to "play in the mud" a lil bit. I'll let him tell you about that.... Crazy sucker....
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Cowboy
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posted October 22, 2002 08:01 AM
INTRA,what happened?The motor actually locked up?I did the same thing(missed a shift and never got off it fast enough)early in the season and got away with only a spit out valve shim.Since then(while i've been trying to get this shifter to work)I've missed alot of times and guess I've been lucky.Need to put a widow switch to shut the spray off before the limiter.Bergie,you said your shifter was working??????????Talked to R&D MOTORSPORTS and they say theres a lot work involved to improve the trannys for use with a shifter.Especially nitrous/turbo bikes.He does the Muzzy shoutout bike and they don't seem to have anymore problems.Remember at the begining of the year they had shifting problems.
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posted October 22, 2002 08:57 AM
Cowboy:
"...Talked to R&D MOTORSPORTS and they say theres a lot work involved to improve the trannys for use with a shifter."
what kind of problems are you having? My Dale Walker PS3 works flawlessly unless I am in the limiter (something to avaoid in any event) I have 70 passes on the tranny freshening (400 passes before the freshening) and the forks look perfect! Am I missing something or just lucky?
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entropy
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posted October 22, 2002 08:58 AM
Joey,
It really bummed me out to see you have trouble. Your bike looks AWESOME and your ET's were dropping 3/10's every pass. Fukken pain in the butt!
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BA
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posted October 22, 2002 12:55 PM
nice story there Joey!  that's a lot of new stuff to be learnin' on one day! Air shifter, NOS 1 and 2 stage, wheelies, nutz getting cracked,...man. You had a full day.
I hope your motor isn't badly damaged, but I DO hope you keep us all informed as to what the diagnosis is!! I'm sure many of us are anxious to hear.
Sounds like y'all had some fun though, wish it wasn't so darned far away.
By the time I get some nitrous, everyone should have pretty much everything worked out for me! You guys will have hit every possible bugaboo out there! hehe
Good luck fixin' the bike.
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fastestr1
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posted October 22, 2002 01:24 PM
Well it sounds like you drop a value and it is stop the piston from moving. You can get the head fixed by welding it, a new bare head is 1400.00 dollars. So weld it and flow it. This is why I am thinking about a stroker motor, you shift around 10,500 rpms so you are not that close to the limitor.
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Cowboy
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posted October 22, 2002 02:18 PM
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Cowboy:
"...Talked to R&D MOTORSPORTS and they say theres a lot work involved to improve the trannys for use with a shifter."
what kind of problems are you having? My Dale Walker PS3 works flawlessly unless I am in the limiter (something to avaoid in any event) I have 70 passes on the tranny freshening (400 passes before the freshening) and the forks look perfect! Am I missing something or just lucky?
Entropy,your not running nos yet.I tried a holeshot shifter also.
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entropy
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posted October 22, 2002 03:22 PM
Cowboy,
I sure am NOT running nos; I don't have the balls for it. 
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krexken
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posted October 22, 2002 03:54 PM
Hope it's nothing too serious, Joey. Maybe you'll get lucky somewhere.
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INTRA
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posted October 22, 2002 06:31 PM
Thanks guys,it's not the kit,I wasn't lean(pulled the plugs),just rider error I guess,Ricky Gadson was cool,and very helpful there with advise,ken,you got close as hell to the wall on one of your runs.Do you think an extended warranty could cover this??
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kingzx12r
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posted October 22, 2002 06:36 PM
Sorry to hear about your bike. King.....I have been considering putting juice on my 12 but am concerned about these types of incidents. Would a progressive controller keep this from happening and shut off if/when you hit the limiter or you could set it to shut off before.
Thanks,
Red1
The kit is really progressive but it is prone to failure as anything when it is new even more so, sounds like too many things going on at the same time. Deans bike is a wet system and requires a progressive timer because it is injected directly into the throttle bodies same but different a WOT switch will help you usually let go of that first I guess that is something I should work on next for you guys. And me too just incase.
Running nitrous is a whole new ball of wax that is why I suggest first stage until you get used to it and then second stage later, with the two stage and those jets a pc3r would be advised the resistor will add too much fuel down low and not enough up top. It will work but you lose more than you gainthe first 100ft.
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INTRA
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posted November 02, 2002 08:40 PM
I think I left something out,if it makes an actual difference,I'm positive it does.Before I put my bike back together the night before we went to houston,I had to make a decision..I tested my stock air filters and then my screen only filters with the NOS fill station we have.By putting the line on the intake side of the filter and turning the valve about the same psi(sounding like)as the jets would spray,and it kinda made me not want to use my modded filters(screen only),HUGE difference,the stock filters hardly let any nos through,while the screens let huge amounts(night and day difference)pass through.Now I know the motor will suck the nos that is sprayed into the airbox through the stock filters-but at what rate?King and everyone else is using K&N'S or the stock ones,and all the tests on HP and AF ratio in relation to pill size were with the STOCK filters,now running the screens only is practically zero obstruction of airflow-and 4hp more on the two dynos we used with the bike on motor.GUESS WHICH FILTERS I DECIDED TO GO WITH....stay tuned for the damage report.
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RAC4IT
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posted November 02, 2002 09:00 PM
I've been running screens for 2 years. Don't need K&Ns and dont need filters Just an obstruction like you said We tried K&Ns on the dyno and at the track- put them up for sale a week later.
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