KZScott
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posted May 16, 2009 12:57 PM
do i really need this gasket?
the stainless steel gasket that goes on the stator cover(zx12r). is it required as a shim, or can i just silicone it? mine is in rough shape
thx
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entropy
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posted May 16, 2009 05:05 PM
IMO you could try using silicone; i can't see how it is needed for spacing.
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KZScott
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posted May 16, 2009 05:24 PM
it reminded me of the block shim, so i thought i would ask 
ill try it with just silicone. i had both sides coated last yr to keep it sealed
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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Johnnycheese
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posted May 16, 2009 06:24 PM
there is oil pressure that flows through that gasket
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entropy
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posted May 17, 2009 04:09 AM
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there is oil pressure that flows through that gasket
Yep, as you will quickly find out if you do cold cranking pressure with the cover off 
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KZScott
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posted May 17, 2009 05:38 AM
 Edited By: KZScott on 17 May 2009 14:01
ok, so the cover takes the oil to the bolt holding the stator on. does this really need to have a constant flow of oil?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted May 17, 2009 06:38 AM
Edited By: KZScott on 17 May 2009 15:16
so upon further inspection, the gasket heavily restricts the oil flow to the cover. the oil passage ways in the case/cover are about 1/8-3/16 in and the hole in the gasket is about .052 in(a .052 drill bit fit and a .055 did not) it looks like the oil pressure dislodged any silicone in its way and made the hole in the gasket its normal size. so if someone was to just silicone the cover on without the gasket, or without some other way to restrict flow, there would be a huge pressure loss to the rest of the motor(like bearings... ouch)
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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2000redrocket
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posted May 17, 2009 09:02 AM
hey scott. keep the gasket.............
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osti33
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posted May 17, 2009 12:46 PM
Edited By: osti33 on 17 May 2009 20:46
Scott for the 10 or 20 bucks it costs for a new gasket I wouldn't take the chance. I would just buy a new one. My 
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KZScott
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posted May 17, 2009 12:56 PM
getting one within 2 weeks is the issue... its a gamble at the dealership lol. i did clean up the old one and its actually better than i thought(useable)
im wondering if it would be detrimental to the stator to run it dry? there are no moving parts touching that need oiled. maybe just kept cool? or to prevent rusting? im thinking that if its blocked, more oil goes to the bearings....
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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entropy
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posted May 17, 2009 03:34 PM
i'm thinking if kwak put it there, don't mess w/it unless you are double damn sure it can be messed with.
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KZScott
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posted May 17, 2009 04:55 PM
im not sure... so ill put it in unless a guru says i can plug the hole
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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blueshark
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posted May 18, 2009 06:25 AM
Don't block the hole, I accidently blocked mine with some silicone one time. The stator was black and had a burnt smell when I had to replace it. I assume the oil is there to keep it cool.
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KZScott
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posted May 18, 2009 06:42 AM
thx blueshark
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted May 18, 2009 09:11 AM
I have never noticed this! Good reading!
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posted May 18, 2009 07:33 PM
Edited By: krexken on 19 May 2009 03:34
Hmm, I can't say I've ever replaced one of these gaskets. I clean em up and smear a thin layer of ultra black on em and go with it. Heck, I do that on pretty much everything. But then again, I'm a hack.
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posted May 18, 2009 08:46 PM
I've said many times- Nothing is there "just for the hell of it" If the engineers designed in some "feature", it's there for a reason. Remember, it's probably cheaper to leave it out-- but they didn't.
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