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posted April 25, 2009 07:37 PM
ZX-12R service manual: Apply engine oil to the cylinder bore and external of pistons.
GSX-R1000K5 service manual: Apply a small quantity of molybdenum oil solution to the sliding surfaces of the pistons and cylinder walls.
CBR600RRR3 service manual: Coat the cylinder walls, pistons and piston rings with engine oil.
YZF-R6R service manual: Lubricate: piston; piston rings; cylinder (with the recommended lubricant) Recommended lubricant: Engine oil
  
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KZScott
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posted April 26, 2009 05:37 PM
a thinner HG will affect PTV
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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almost_les
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posted April 27, 2009 01:33 PM
looks like i'll hafta make me one of those double ended pokers then. here's the latest update:
intake done, now its time to do the exhaust
yeah, so much for having it running by now. spent all my weekend hanging out
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almost_les
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posted April 27, 2009 02:49 PM
finished exhaust. double checked 107/107. fun stuff timing cams.
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almost_les
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posted April 29, 2009 01:04 PM
PTV checked out at .077 IN .078 EX
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posted April 29, 2009 07:32 PM
i'll vouch as well on the oil in the bore trick.. i pour a bit in, wipe it around, install the block, then wipe the excess off before head installation.. you're already past that, but just fyi..lol
lookin good man! you're doin a hell of a job for your first time. i'm impressed!
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almost_les
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posted April 30, 2009 03:09 PM
 Edited By: almost_les on 30 Apr 2009 23:11
hey, its starting to look like an engine:
i decided i didn't want to wait/pay for block offs, a couple button head screws and a healthy dose of high temp sealant took care of that:
let me know what you think
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almost_les
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posted May 09, 2009 02:55 PM
took it out for a spin. feels like it pulls hard with 17/46 as it did before with 16/50 (then again, i haven't been on it for a while so my memory may be a bit foggy). either way, its much better. gonna have it sit for about a week and a half until i can get it tuned and race ready. still have to rig up the air shifter and shift light. and other micelaneous stuff.
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KZScott
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posted May 09, 2009 04:20 PM
yeah baby! great feeling eh? 
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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almost_les
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posted May 09, 2009 05:53 PM
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yeah baby! great feeling eh?
hell yeah!
after this is all said and done, i think i'm gonna build me a muzy 1375 stroker since all the head and tranny work is taken care of. should be pretty fun at the strip. first race for this bike will be on the 23rd 
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KZScott
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posted May 09, 2009 07:57 PM
if you go with the 4.6mm crank, get the 87mm pistons and go with a 1394. imo, if you do it yourself and plan on doing street duty too, go with a 4mm crank instead and 87mm pistons=1380cc. I would like to build a 1380 out of mine, but i want to stay below the 1350 limit for lsr....next winter ill get a small stroker and make a 1347 
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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almost_les
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posted May 14, 2009 10:19 AM
took it for a ride today, started ticking. gonna have to take the head off and figure out whats up.
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posted May 14, 2009 11:58 AM
Hope it's just an exhaust leak.
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almost_les
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posted May 14, 2009 12:15 PM
Edited By: almost_les on 14 May 2009 20:55
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Hope it's just an exhaust leak.
kinda sounds like one, but i did just put in new ex gaskets.
the strange thing is that it ticked a bit when i frst started it, but then went away. rode it around a bit and nothing. figured the oil just needed to finish getting around everywhere. i even primed it with the filter off and poured oil in the filter too. today it was back and wouldn't stop.
hopefully something is just jacked up with the exhaust...
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KZScott
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posted May 14, 2009 02:16 PM
i flatten my gaskets out a bit with a hammer(lightly), and use some ultra copper on both sides(ive been told by some pretty serious guys that i dont even need the flattened gasket with ultra copper). clean the pipe and head with brake clean very well.
one time with new gaskets, the pipe didnt get a good seal because new gaskets have a smaller OD than flat ones. the pipe wasnt centered, and was only on 3/4 of the gasket, the rest wasnt even touching. i made some shims out of copper flashing to center the pipes to make double damn sure they sealed. the muzzy header has a smaller OD than the stock pipe (larger ID) so if the gasket isnt centered, and the pipe isnt centered, you can very easily get a leak.
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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almost_les
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posted May 14, 2009 04:29 PM
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i flatten my gaskets out a bit with a hammer(lightly), and use some ultra copper on both sides(ive been told by some pretty serious guys that i dont even need the flattened gasket with ultra copper). clean the pipe and head with brake clean very well.
one time with new gaskets, the pipe didnt get a good seal because new gaskets have a smaller OD than flat ones. the pipe wasnt centered, and was only on 3/4 of the gasket, the rest wasnt even touching. i made some shims out of copper flashing to center the pipes to make double damn sure they sealed. the muzzy header has a smaller OD than the stock pipe (larger ID) so if the gasket isnt centered, and the pipe isnt centered, you can very easily get a leak.
thats what i'm hoping. i'm also thinking that maybe i didn't torque the nuts down properly and the gaskets didn't seat. i was in a rush putting it back together and didn't feel like busting out the torque wrench. i took a long ass bolt and stuck it about a dozen different places on the engine and couln't hear any of the ticking coming from inside so thats a good sign.
what im gonna do is putting some ultra copper on the header itself and let it tack up a bit, then get all the gaskets centered on the pipes and apply a bit more sealant before mounting. sounds like i'm gonna hafta flatten them all out too...
if that doesn't solve it then i'll tear into the head.
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almost_les
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posted May 20, 2009 01:31 PM
looks like one of the shims popped out of the retainer. checked all the clearnces and one of the exhaust valves had zero clerarance. gonna go fix it now.
BTW: sal at ace performance has been a huge help for me in this project. i was his idea to check the clearences and save me from taking apart the head for no reason. i would recomend anyone to get work done by him! ace performance FTW!
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almost_les
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posted May 20, 2009 02:28 PM
Edited By: almost_les on 21 May 2009 01:41
looks like i will have to take off the head anyways, the valve with the jacked up shim also had a valve keeper pop out of place since the shim was pressing on the retainer instead of the valve. at least now i have something to do this weekend. also i'll be able to port match the intake boots since i forgot last time. maybe even get the exhaust ports polished.
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KZScott
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posted May 23, 2009 07:19 AM
damn, that sux. that happened to my motor last yr, but i hit the rev limiter on a big shot of spray. were you hitting the limiter pretty hard? you will need a new HG if you take the head off. you dont need to take it off to compress the springs to get everything back where it belongs
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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almost_les
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posted May 23, 2009 01:01 PM
wasn't hitting the rev limiter, just had a shim get pulled out by the bucket when i was putting it back together. only happened to one. its my own fault for not double checking valve clearances after putting it all together.
so i take it you're suggesting i use my PTV tool to press down on the retainer while the piston is at/near tdc to keep the valve from dropping? that idea has been running through my head too. i'll give it a whack this aternoon after i get allo the yardwork done today.
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posted May 23, 2009 01:50 PM
i have jury rigged the fitting of my valve compressor to compress a spring/retainer and get the collets back in place (with the piston at TDC like you say)
took just a bit of jiggling around but no big deal.
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