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posted February 27, 2009 07:15 PM
that is making me laugh about the boss 302. ther eis a buy here named bobbie with a boss 302 a while ago (he went to a 429 now) it is so true what you said.
these " big" heads came off a 900hp truck puller from jake zaring.google his name. indy gave me his name and they did the heads for him. i am sure the velocity will not be great down low that is why i want a 500 for them. thanks for taking the time to answere. i am hopeing for 650 to 700 hp with the new 440. then it will be wheels up again.when i get a in car movie i will post it.i hope the camara stays put.
  
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posted February 27, 2009 08:18 PM
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Whats the strongest ZX-12 motor you have seen !!! Dyno number's, timeslips etc....
Are you asking me? 230's N/A
Karl hit 245ish with his 1427 NA about a yr ago
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posted February 27, 2009 10:21 PM
since we are talking mopar and v8s, is there any easy and cheap things i can do to the 5.2 magnum in my dakota? does the the kegger mod actually do anything? TB spacer worth anything? im in the process of swapping out the 235 75 r15s for 325 85 r16s (6 in lift and lots of fender trimming lol) and i really should re gear it, but thats not in the budget yet(its a 4x4 with 3.55 gears)....i have true dual exhaust(still need headers) and a cold air intake, but otherwise a stock 318
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted February 27, 2009 10:47 PM
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Whats the strongest ZX-12 motor you have seen !!! Dyno number's, timeslips etc....
Are you asking me? 230's N/A
Karl hit 245ish with his 1427 NA about a yr ago
2-teens are relatively "easy" to get w/ 1427, cams & all dat chit.
I got to low/mid 240's early last year but somehow lost the set up
14 builds, and 26 dyno days later, I'm still chasing my "glory days", looking for hp that went on vacation in Jan 2008. OCD in action.
stuck in high 220's 
going to the dyno for another test tomorrow.
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posted February 28, 2009 04:39 AM
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since we are talking mopar and v8s, is there any easy and cheap things i can do to the 5.2 magnum in my dakota? does the the kegger mod actually do anything? TB spacer worth anything? im in the process of swapping out the 235 75 r15s for 325 85 r16s (6 in lift and lots of fender trimming lol) and i really should re gear it, but thats not in the budget yet(its a 4x4 with 3.55 gears)....i have true dual exhaust(still need headers) and a cold air intake, but otherwise a stock 318
Well, whats "easy and cheap"? 
A better Cam and CNC porting the heads is easy and cheep to some people. As far as "bolt ons" I dont know much about them but usually not really anything there.
A set of long tube headers is the best bang for the buck.
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posted February 28, 2009 04:43 AM
Karls gonna find that HP one of these days.
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posted February 28, 2009 05:02 AM
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With the help of Jim & Chin, we'll find it!
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posted February 28, 2009 05:43 AM
Anyone ever try removing the filter brackets to see if that helped air flow?
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posted February 28, 2009 09:45 AM
scott be carefull on messing far from stock on the 5.2. from what i here there is not much you can do with the injection to tune it. best bang i herd of was still pricey but a 4" cast crank kit makes it a under square bore vs stroke and something like 392" ish. good luck. you may have to put a carb on it if you mod too much.
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posted February 28, 2009 01:59 PM
yeah, nobody makes a power commander for a dakota gotta go stand alone or piggy back the system. im thinking a mega-squirt project is in order eventually. but... got a bike to build first
easy and cheep(my version) = not opening the motor up, just bolt on stuff around.... $500?
a set of headers will probly be as far as i go on it, maybe a bored TB and intake later on. i dont really want a wild cam, i need "diesel like" torque(especially since im running 38x12.5in tires). i was thinking of getting a 5.9 as they use the same motor mounts for next winters project. headers and intake ect swap right over. you can make a 408 stroker out of those using the factory pistons right? (and about 5mpg  )
ive never really worked on hot rodding a 318 or 360, are the magnum heads very good? is there much to be gained for a street application with porting?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted March 01, 2009 07:00 AM
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Whats the strongest ZX-12 motor you have seen !!! Dyno number's, timeslips etc....
Are you asking me? 230's N/A
Karl hit 245ish with his 1427 NA about a yr ago
2-teens are relatively "easy" to get w/ 1427, cams & all dat chit.
I got to low/mid 240's early last year but somehow lost the set up
14 builds, and 26 dyno days later, I'm still chasing my "glory days", looking for hp that went on vacation in Jan 2008. OCD in action.
stuck in high 220's
going to the dyno for another test tomorrow.
Jeez, you're sad about being "stuck" in the high 220's? I'd be happy if my heap broke the 200rwhp mark! lol
Best of luck finding that extra power, it seems to be quite the gremlin you're dealing with. Makes me feel "lucky" that my Texas Mile gremlin was simply faulty electronics and an exhaust leak. (That's what I get for not even for not even riding the bike down the block after the rebuild and making a dozen changes at the same time without testing anything.) At least I KNEW what the problems were which made it possible to salvage "some" lost mph at the last minute. I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to have lost 15rwhp with no clues as to where it went.
Karl, may the Speed Gods bestow their favor upon you in 09!
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posted March 01, 2009 11:54 AM
hey Mike!
you gonna be heading up to Maxton in April?
Maybe back to Texas in Oct?
Or maybe do Loring in August?
I'm thinking that Loring is gonna be a blast. Long drive for almost everybody, but getting in on the 1st running of a 1.5 mile race will be a ball. DO IT!!!
I have been brutalizing my heap on the dyno doing tests, but it had a good leakdown (4-2-2-4) yesterday and i am parking it till the Mile at the end of this month.
Going from a 10" to a 6" arm to help get it pinned sooner outa the hole; hate seeing mph go up in smoke right at the start.
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posted March 03, 2009 03:58 AM
I'm sitting out the 2009 season. Too many things on my plate right now.
We just bought our first house last month, so I've been busy doing a ton of remodeling. The 12 is in the lab awaiting the time/funds for some cosmetic improvement along with some new serious mods for 2010. Oh, and I've finally stuck to my promise of getting back on track with my 1999 Mustang GT project roadrace car. (aka the TIME pit)
.... and to top it all off, I've been getting the "Shit or get off the pot" vibe from my better half in regards to popping the big question. (known each other 10 years, living together for 3yrs... can't blame her!)
Anyway, best of luck to TFA in 09!
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posted March 03, 2009 04:50 AM
we'll miss you, but WAY better to get woman - house - dog - etc all flanged up as #1 priority.
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posted March 03, 2009 06:27 PM
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since we are talking mopar and v8s, is there any easy and cheap things i can do to the 5.2 magnum in my dakota? does the the kegger mod actually do anything? TB spacer worth anything? im in the process of swapping out the 235 75 r15s for 325 85 r16s (6 in lift and lots of fender trimming lol) and i really should re gear it, but thats not in the budget yet(its a 4x4 with 3.55 gears)....i have true dual exhaust(still need headers) and a cold air intake, but otherwise a stock 318
I shortened the runners on my old 318 on my 92 and really couldn't tell much difference. I totaled it about a week later too. An x pipe or a h pipe should help bottom end response which sounds like what you're gonna need the most with those big power robbin tires. Too big of an exhaust will kill bottom end snap. Since we're talking mopars, I ran B1 B/S heads on my low deck 471 a few years back. Kinda wish I would've went with Indy's but those gigantice ports on them really looked like they needed some rpms or cubes to get the air flowing. A friend with the Indys spent a lot of money trying to keep up with me!
Back to bikes, I've torn apart several of the newer literbikes and I'm simply amazed at how small the ports are on these things and they're not too many hp behind the output of a zx12.
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posted March 04, 2009 03:54 AM
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since we are talking mopar and v8s, is there any easy and cheap things i can do to the 5.2 magnum in my dakota? does the the kegger mod actually do anything? TB spacer worth anything? im in the process of swapping out the 235 75 r15s for 325 85 r16s (6 in lift and lots of fender trimming lol) and i really should re gear it, but thats not in the budget yet(its a 4x4 with 3.55 gears)....i have true dual exhaust(still need headers) and a cold air intake, but otherwise a stock 318
I shortened, the runners on my old 318 on my 92 and really couldn't tell much difference. I totaled it about a week later too. An x pipe or a h pipe should help bottom end response which sounds like what you're gonna need the most with those big power robbin tires. Too big of an exhaust will kill bottom end snap. Since we're talking mopars, I ran B1 B/S heads on my low deck 471 a few years back. Kinda wish I would've went with Indy's but those gigantice ports on them really looked like they needed some rpms or cubes to get the air flowing. A friend with the Indys spent a lot of money trying to keep up with me!
Back to bikes, I've torn apart several of the newer literbikes and I'm simply amazed at how small the ports are on these things and they're not too many hp behind the output of a zx12.
The new liter bikes come pretty much hot-rodded from the factory these days. High compression, big cams, hand finished cnc ports, high revs, 12 hole dual injectors, 32-bit ecu's, etc.... all things that are in a "mild" tune on the ZX-12R and even more so on the gen 1 Hayabusa. 5 years ago, you had to pay big bucks in parts and labor to get what the factory gives you off the showroom floor today.
Best part is that the factory makes most new parts modular, making it easy to upgrade older models with newer parts very cheaply via ebay.
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posted March 12, 2009 08:56 AM
Can we get Mr. Doug Meyer the "Master/GURU" to advise us further on this topic ???
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posted March 12, 2009 02:47 PM
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I dont know about "hand finished cnc ports" I havent seen any cnc ported from the factory yet.
Are you talking about a high end ducati? Maybe they are, I dunno.
Even the 09 bikes are far from maxed out.
You have to remember that the factory has to make a bike with good driveability at 1500-3000 rpm. Smooth throttle response, low load on the catalyist, good cruising ability, etc. etc.
If you remove the above requirements and only have to have the engine run 10,000 miles between teardowns, then these bikes can make even more power per CC.
But people would bitch about the "crappy driveability" at lower rpms. I'd tell them to just drop 3 gears and wick it.
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