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posted January 26, 2009 09:00 PM
 Edited By: whitehendrix on 27 Jan 2009 05:27
whitey's build 'O the century w/ (huge) pics!
ah. the time has finally come to where i actually have worked on MY OWN shit instead of everyone elses!! haha
and so it begins. the first chapter of what will be a badass maxton killin 750 monster.
this is the N/A motor, 100% stock save for the kleen air mod.. i'll probably build an ignition advancer (so much more fun to build than buy!) and play for as long as i can with the N/A motor til i get my TDO4-L rebuilt and source a T3 in 50 trim for drag and street use. the mitsu turbo i think may do better for LSR due to it's .61 A/R.
and without further adeux..
it all started with me ripping it apart for restoration purposes.
it was a basket case.. heres turbo fitment, and as you can see, the bike's seen better days.
and, after almost a month of polishing.. getting D/A marks out, scratches and the like..
after teardown, i freshened up the motor a bit.. not internally.. if it's not broke, don't fix it kinda deal there..
the sprocket cover looks like blue CF.. it's not.. i wish it was tho.. lol
drilled this little guy out on a CNC and polished it, did the same for the shifter.. also made a shift peg out of .700 6061 T6 round stock.. turned it to (i think..) .630, tapped, knurled, grooved and polished.
the shifter peg (since the bike never had one.  )
since the bike also never came with a gas gauge from the factory, i felt inclined to pirate the flange and sender from an old 600 tank of mine.. i put that particular bike into a tree one fine day after hitting salt mid-apex at 50 whilst draggin a knee.. the .030 thick metal didn't fair too well against an inanimate object and a 460 lb machine.
dremel with a 1" cutoff wheel did the removal chore.. migged it into place on the 7-R tank here.. build it up with multiple passes to give me something substantial to weld to..
this rendered the need for a gauge, which seemed like an excellent excuse to make a CF dash 
the little switch on the bottom is a manual fan "on" switch. for sitting in the pits or in traffic. 7-R's are notoriously hot running. i don't have the muzzy's fan blade, so i don't wanna melt the stock shit!
in it's life, it was poorly maintained.. as was it's appearance.. the chrome had long ago peeled off in sad curly strips from the hub. to mask this and the goldish plating left over, i simply polished the hell outta it!!
blending two surfaces with a height variance wasn't the easiest, since taking the plating down to the base metals level would have left it too thin to bond.. so, some hand polishing and blue rouge and a sisal wheel did a pretty good job after all was said and done.
if you look hard, you can see a step, but you've really gotta be looking for it.
on to the swingarm and subframe!
beat..
also beat..
minty
well, needs a little touched up, but way better than it was..
i don't know wtf happened to the finished pics of the swingarm!?
Hmm.. thats retarded.. oh well..
motor in the frame then.
the lovely little sprocket cover and famous shifter i made
doing a little internal modification to the micron.. long story.. lol.. but i'm just making everything fit tighter. cutting about .220" off the length of the tube inside.
finally starting to look halfway like a bike now..
got my kickass integrated tail in, a tail fairing on for fun, and starting to piece this whore together now.
i'm making LED turnsignals to go along with te integrated light.. you can never have too much light for dumbass cagers behind you!!
the plastic has ALWAY been trashed. i've had 3 different people knock my bike over.. i've never dropped it once..
after welding the plastic soo many time, i decided i'll let the fiberglass guys by my shop do their magic
they said if they get an order for 5 or more sets of plasic for a particular bike, they'll make a mold. these guys know their shit too.. so, i'm anxious as to see what i get back!
rodnrace.com is their site if you're interested in who they are. good ppl too.
and one more..
so, theres the progress thus far.
some more wiring modifications are in order.. the 7-R has always been an electrical engineering nightmare.. 14Ga wire for 30 amp circuits?! please.
no wonder it's got crispety crunchety connectors everywhere.. i'll run main power thru a relay that will take the load off the keyswitch and make it more interesting to hot wire.
i've run the fan relay control power wires and bundled them into the stock harness and connector, and have one wire left which i'll use for the sender unit to the gas gauge.
from then, the A/F, and what ever other electric gauges will get their own sub harness and connectors.
got lots more planned. this is the tip of the iceberg.
feel free to comment or flame! thanks for you time in looking thru this
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posted January 27, 2009 07:01 AM
you spent some serious time polishing! i did an "ok" job on my subframe and that took hours! so are you going to run it na for awhile then tear the motor down for upgrades when the turbo goes on?
love the CF and polishing. what colour are the plastics going to be?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted January 27, 2009 10:18 PM
ya. i got another motor thats in better shape than this one.. so that'll be the one getting the romancing
the plastics are gonna be the same color as the valve cover, which is Duplicolor DSM340 Royal Blue.
yup.. spraypaint!!
eventually, it'll go back to being a marbled blue.. the tank still has the remains of that old paint job.. i'll post up on that .. it's pretty sweet..
the bike was stolen and gone for about 10 months. when i found it again, it was all sanded down and shitty looking.
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posted January 28, 2009 12:56 AM
hey whitey!
looks like you have quite a project on yr hands, nice job on the polishing! 
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posted January 28, 2009 06:17 AM
Cool, slap that turbo on!!!!
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whitehendrix
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posted January 28, 2009 04:34 PM
thanks guys!!
ya.. i need to start playing with the turbo motor, but the garage is SOOOo cold at the house
i need to send the mitsu trubo out for a shaft straightening and balance.. a racoon knocked it off my bench at my old shop.. it took a great fall.. surprisingly, it's not THAT bad.. about .0155-.0210" out from what i noted with a quicky inspection.
still need a T3 in 50 trim
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posted January 29, 2009 12:10 AM
Kitchen table shouldnt be too cold . thats where i measure cases, rods and cranks for bearings.
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted January 29, 2009 08:29 AM
Looks like you're doing a great job so far. Keep up the good work!
Any thoughts on how fast you think you'll go N/A and T/C at Maxton?
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posted January 29, 2009 04:52 PM
haha!!! Scott, you've probably got the luxury of "average" sized countertops!! maybe even granite?
my countertops are tiny
kitchen table, maybe!!!
thoughts on maxton.. Hmm.. i'd guess mid or lower 170's N/a and i want just 200 on boost.. if i get addicted, ( probably will!) then i'll probably build a boosted 14 up when i get some money going, and the next goal will be 260 for that one
i damn near bought a rolling chassis drag bike this summer for $2500.. chassis, wheelie bars, wheels and bodywork. at the time, i knew someone whos boss crashed their 14 and they were unsure wht they were gonna do with it.. i suddenly started fantasizing about a 720HP neck breaker running (i'd hope) consistent low 7's and 240+ at maxton, if not more.. Charlie did it on 636Hp on the Dave-O tuned 'busa (259.xxx) so ith think 650-700hp would get me into the 260 range.. especially at only 140-150 lbs soaked n wet. i don't take much to move around!
thanks again! got the cf dash pretty much done, and i was working on mounting the gas gauge today.. i'll be in baltimore doing some electrical work, so hopefully i get back in time to get a jump on wirieng the sender and finishing the dash.. got my eye on a stock R6 exhaust.. the primaries look like suitable candidates for a manifold
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posted January 29, 2009 10:38 PM
nothing fancy here, I just throw an old towel on the kitchen table and GTG. not really room on the counter tops here either. i let everything sit for several hrs at room temp(over night actually which is probly overkill) so the parts and tools are the same temp and much closer to body temp than in the shop(in winter). i had one hell of a time trying to measure cold cases once because its sort of a zen like procedure to get accurate measurements with a bore gauge and my hands were heating up the tools and throwing off measurements. after that, it was a warm place or no place.
get really thick tubing to make a turbo manifold or it will crack! try to find some pics of Sebs(NLR) manifolds. the best of the best. use a good grade of SS if you can. if not realy really thick mild steel. a stock exhaust is way too thin to last very long
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted January 30, 2009 08:05 AM
Love the enthusiasm, good luck with the speeds.
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whitehendrix
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posted January 30, 2009 05:25 PM
thanks phantom!
scott.. damn good points on thermal stabilization.. makes good sense..
as far as the manifold, i'd love to acquire some 321 if i can, but chances are i'll build a mock-up out of whatever i can get my grubby hands on.. i might be getting an R6 exhaust, which would be a perfect candidate for at the very least a mock-up and for testing.. i'm seriously considering maybe throwing a few pounds to the stock N/A motor for a number of reasons.. A. it'll tell me just how reliable the motors are.. if an old, stock mill can handle 5 or 6psi til i build the ubermill, then i'll sleep soundly knowing i can get sub 300hp levels from said ubermill. B. i'd really like to get an early jump on getting used to how a turbo'd bike reacts and operates, the carb tuning aspects, and whatever else i can start learning.. mainly the control of it.. even if, like i said, it's only a few psi and maybe 140 at the crank afterwards (stock is 123CHP) C. i'm just really anxious and have been talking with no action for years now.. its time to shit or get off the pot, and D. i had some douchebag come into the shop the other day and TELL ME i could absolutely NOT blow thru carbs and be sucessful..
oh, really? i cited numberous cases where a blow-thru setup was utilized.. he cited the Seca II.. and some bullshit ramble about EFI.
well, guess what? that bitch was carburated!! haha.. (kinda defeated himself at that point eh?)
but ya.. i want something to prove to everyone it can be done..
and besides.. it just REALLY irked me that this dude, supposedly a bike and car mechanic, would strongly argue something that i know a pretty good bit about.
it was funny.. he said "you know what it takes to build a turbo motor?" i said yeah.. i had a shop for 5 years doing it..
"you need a blow-off valve and barometric meter and.."
i cut him off at "barometric meter" lol
and continued his sentence stating all the stuff that is real, and that is needed.. he looked a lil confused.. lmao
he tried saying i'll blow the fuel out of the bowls..
well, no shit, sherlock.. thats why you run a rising rate FRP at (typically) 1:1 to compensate!!!
he had NO idea what the hell i was talking about he was getting pissed!! hah..
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posted January 30, 2009 09:31 PM
I remember reading about a turbo zx9r with a blow thru carb setup. it worked pretty well. if i remember correctly he actually had to put smaller mains in it...
i dont see why 5-6 psi wouldnt work on a stock motor. run 93 octane(or better), maybe pull a couple degrees of timing. run a bit on the rich side
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted February 01, 2009 04:01 PM
you may find this interesting http://www.turbo-bike.net/
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted February 02, 2009 09:31 PM
ya.. i know that site
theres a guy on kawiforums.com that's got a turbo 9R thats all over youtube and streetfire.. full built motor, lots of gauges, Scott's-Bike Blue.. real nice machine..
there a few guys with turbo'd bikes on that site i throw ideas off of. hahaaha
got my bodywork back!! soo nice.. lots of progress.. i gotta get some pics up soon! just too lazy
on a killer note tho, i think i got my fiberglass guy on to do some carbon fiober stuff.. like firings as well.. i threw in a note about your stays that everyone covets on here.. there was a pic of it in that one subframe mod thread wher the dude swiss-cheesed his sub for a 3 or so lb. weight reduction..
so, if you or anyone reading this wants carbon fiber stuff for your bike, PM me or whatever and i'll see if i can make it happen..
and as soon as i get a bit of drive in me, i'll put up the current bike pics!
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posted February 02, 2009 10:13 PM
I wonder if they would/could do a subframe? rear brake hangar? swingarm? probly too pricy
speaking of turbos, I may resurect my KZ project this summer...Ive learned a lot since i pulled that apart. Im thinking ill try an efi conversion while im at it
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted February 03, 2009 08:11 PM
i already talked to him about 12-R parts with you and a few other in mind. i'll get info and post.
i'll need either temporarily donated parts (you'd certainly get them back, along with anything ordered) or VERY intricate specs on parts for them to make a mold on..
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posted February 06, 2009 06:54 PM
mo pics!!
got my dash 90% done, got my upper and side fixed and back, drilled my slides today, got some little things here and there accomplished
the old dash
new minty CF sexiness
put the tank on for fun and to get it off the floor.
the whole bike used to look like this until the douchebag thief sanded it down.. for the most part.. why he didn't do the tank, i have no idea. i will have the bike resprayed and marblized like this tho when it's all done.
fairing glassed up at the fiberglass shop.
holes recut and finished
sanding a bit.. gettin rid of the DA swirls..
side fairing all glassed up and solid
and... into the carbs!
they were surprisingly clean. just a touch of rust in the bowls..
look at this little badass piece. a tiny drill chuck for the Dremelski. soo nice to hold the #72 drillbit i used to drill the slides.. and the one chick at Lowes was UBER hot and i caught her lookin at me.. which, is a rare occasion
i really should have used a #70 at .028" but a 72 was soo close, feedrate and rotational speed probably aced probably removed the .002 on each side that was needed.
barely noticeable..
so, there ya have it.. a little at a time i guess.. lol..
hopefully the holes work out well.. for anyone who doesn't know what thats supposed to do, it lets a tiny bit more air into the vacuum piston and increases throttle responce by diffusing the pressure difference a bit. #70 seems to be the golden standard for the hole size, or .028".. too big or little renders shitty results from what i've gathered.i think the #72 will work. it's .024" so like i said.. a high spindle speed and a low feedrate should have easily removed .002 from each side on the way down and back up. i not, oh well.. if it turns out it sucks, i'll just glue the holes shut
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posted February 06, 2009 08:42 PM
some of the plastics on my bike were damaged (cracked/broken)and plastic welded. the po had it done before i got it. im not sure how price compares, but they have held up well for 3 yrs since the repair. fiberglass isnt that bad to work with tho, i used some on my tail section. kit for $30 was enough for all kinds of stuff.
Ive never seen marblized paint. thats pretty cool
i need to pick up a set of tiny drill bits.. well just one actually (.026") my jets are too small 
keep at it. oh and take the camera to lowes next time
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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