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posted January 15, 2009 08:15 AM
Poll Question:
Kawasaki 1500cc ZX-15R Monster...
There is rumor floating around from some pretty good sources that "Kawasaki" is currently testing a 1500cc sportbike out !!!! So, if Kawasaki did in fact bring out a 1500cc successor of the current ZX14 who would purchase one, who would jump ships and who would definately buy one in this up and down economy of present ? I have to admit that i would have to go and "raid" my savings account to put a deposit down on one of these bad boys if the rumors are true !!!
Poll Results:
 5 votes (63%)
Who would purchase one ?
0 votes (0%)
Who would jump ships ?
2 votes (25%)
Who would buy one in this economy ?
1 votes (13%)
Who would purchase one for $13,799 ?
  
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posted January 15, 2009 10:43 AM
It would depend on the design.
I really do not care for the design of the current motor. And no way for 13, 799.
Also would depend on the clutch design. I really do not care for how the current 14s clutch is set up. Some of it I like. But other parts are a pain.
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posted January 15, 2009 11:12 AM
Ain't gonna happen.
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posted January 15, 2009 12:10 PM
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It would depend on the design.
I really do not care for the design of the current motor. And no way for 13, 799.
Also would depend on the clutch design. I really do not care for how the current 14s clutch is set up. Some of it I like. But other parts are a pain.
What parts of it are a pain?? Just curious. The ZX-14 clutch is one of the best clutches out there by far.
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posted January 15, 2009 12:16 PM
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It would depend on the design.
I really do not care for the design of the current motor. And no way for 13, 799.
Also would depend on the clutch design. I really do not care for how the current 14s clutch is set up. Some of it I like. But other parts are a pain.
What parts of it are a pain?? Just curious. The ZX-14 clutch is one of the best clutches out there by far.
5 springs vs 6
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posted January 15, 2009 12:21 PM
For 99% of the people, there is no problem with the 14 clutch...or the motor design.
I'd take a 5 spring clutch over a spindly transmission any day.
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posted January 15, 2009 12:29 PM
I hear the watercraft motor ain't too bad.
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NOX
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posted January 15, 2009 12:55 PM
Scott sad it. It has a 5 arm lock up.
As far as tranny goes, the 14 still has 5 dogs on some of the gears too. another issue I have.
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posted January 15, 2009 12:57 PM
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For 99% of the people, there is no problem with the 14 clutch...or the motor design.
I'd take a 5 spring clutch over a spindly transmission any day.
Shane
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I can get 300 passes out of a stock set of ZX-14 clutches with stock springs, no spacers or anything. The feel is awesome, and they get way more oil than the ZX-12 clutches ever did.
Plus no need to adjust any cables.
Someone finally did their homework when they designed the 14's clutch.
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posted January 15, 2009 01:54 PM
doesn't seem like it would make sense to ditch the zx14 so soon. suzuki milked the 1st gen busa cow for about nine years before the 2nd gen, and made tons of money in the process. its not like these are road race bikes where everything changes every few years. now that kawi has a bike with a similar drag reputation (and equally hideous complexion), i think they should ride it out a bit longer before dumping out more R and D money.
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posted January 15, 2009 03:02 PM
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As far as tranny goes, the 14 still has 5 dogs on some of the gears too. another issue I have.
What exactly is the issue? The 14 has the best transmission produced. That is straight from R&D.
Mark's words to me were, "A "D" for the 12R trans, an "A" for the 14". Sure, you can put $2k in a 12R trans and get some life out of it...but it is a bad design. You can't change the size of the gears, which is one of the main problems.
I love my 12R, and it is a different bike from the 14. But as far as a dragracing platform, the 14 is much improved.
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posted January 15, 2009 03:10 PM
Yes, but, with BIG hp, you still have 5 dogs on some of those gears.......,
A six dog tranny is better, cause you can cut out 3 of em. HUGE window of engagement.
As far as the clutch goes, in stock trim, I would say it is better, for full race apps, the 12 is easier to tune, for different apps. I know how to tune the 14 lock ups, so its not an issue, but I have way more fine tuneability with my clutch over the 14s I work on.
Like I said, depends on the application. And I got 900 passes out of a 12 clutch, and it was fine, just pulled it out to have a fresh set in it. All depends on the app.
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posted January 15, 2009 03:13 PM
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And I got 900 passes out of a 12 clutch, and it was fine, just pulled it out to have a fresh set in it. All depends on the app.
Now, while that statement may be true...I don't think anyone else on the planet has done it.
You must have a better tune on your 12R clutch than every other pro and amateur who has ever raced the 12. NOBODY gets 900 passes on a single clutch pack.
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posted January 15, 2009 04:14 PM
He gets over 300 passes with a stock zx14 clutch, cant compare it to 900 passes with a lock-up.
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posted January 15, 2009 04:26 PM
There are others here having the same luck after I tuned thiers..........
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posted January 15, 2009 04:32 PM
 Edited By: KZScott on 16 Jan 2009 00:36
the idea of a 1500cc bike is exciting though even if it will be in a few yrs. hopefully they have it better suited to upgrades than the 12 or 14. you can get anything for a busa.... if its designed right, it will have the block and upper case 2 pieces to make things easier for big bore kits, have wide bore spacing to allow for big big bore kits (think 1650cc with just an over bore) have a good rod to stroke ratio to allow for big stroker motors(about 2000cc if Karl buys one for expirements). an air box that can be easily sealed for a turbo application, 6 dog tranny with big gears, 6 spring clutch to have lots of fine tuning available for lock up guys, similar sized clutch components to a 14 or busa so its hard to fry....and would it be pushing it to ask for 400 pounds ready to drive? 
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posted January 15, 2009 10:17 PM
Now thats something I would buy right away!!
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posted January 15, 2009 10:49 PM
Ditto what scott said. not like its that hard to do.........
He knows what I was getting at for sure.
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posted January 15, 2009 10:56 PM
Kawasaki needs to hire me as a private consultant and let me bug all the R&D guys:P
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posted January 15, 2009 11:08 PM
Thing is, we are a HUGE minority. They have to sell lots of em.
I never said the 12 was king or perfect. But the 14 damn sure aint perfect either.
As far as the busa goes, it is still the small block chevy of drag racing , and until something changes, it will be for a long time.
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posted January 16, 2009 07:22 AM
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There are others here having the same luck after I tuned thiers..........
Why are you comparing a stock ZX-14 clutch to a ZX-12 with a lock-up??
Throw the lock-up out the window, and a STOCK ZX-14 clutch is 100 times better than a STOCK ZX-12 clutch.
I admit the 02-05 ZX-12 clutch was vastly improved over the 00-01 ZX-12 clutch, but its still no where near a ZX-14's clutch IN STOCK TRIM.
Throw a lock up on either bike and it changes everything.
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posted January 16, 2009 09:04 AM
yes it does, but the 14 is no where near as tuner friendly with a lock up as a 12 is Period.
We are not totally talking apples to apples here, and I know that.
But, my main thing is, for SERIOUS racing, a lock up is a must.
Not knocking you, or anyone running a 14. Just having a discussion.
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posted January 16, 2009 10:12 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 16 Jan 2009 18:13
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But, my main thing is, for SERIOUS racing, a lock up is a must.
I don't know, Nox. There are plenty of consistent bracket racers hand-clutching it.
What do you call serious racing? Your level? Or National level?
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posted January 16, 2009 12:23 PM
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But, my main thing is, for SERIOUS racing, a lock up is a must.
I don't know, Nox. There are plenty of consistent bracket racers hand-clutching it.
What do you call serious racing? Your level? Or National level?
Interesting, so since 2003, thousands of passes, and 50+ wins, you are saying that I wasn't a 'serious' racer because I did it all without a lock-up?? Just trying to figure out where you're going with this Nox that's all.
My buddy won the track championship at NPR for 2008 on a '05 ZX-12 with a slick, wheelie bars, and delay box....but guess what, he did it all without a lock-up. I guess he wasn't serious though??
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posted January 17, 2009 10:43 AM
Not bashing you or your buddy. But also, you have do not race on some of the tracks these guys race on. You have the luxury of running on your home track, and you have run on AMA tracks, but come to some of these mid south, mid west tracks, that do not spray the VHT like its water, and you will see what I mean, or, look at the conditions that woppi has to run on.
Again, I am not bashing, but you comparoing NPR to some of these other tracks, is apples to oranges. Go to RRR on a Friday TNT. Not so good. DIV4 points event, hooks like glue. Mr. Pat is awesome, he preps his track like mad all the time from what I hear........, I wish I lived in your area, to have that availability.
SO, what I am getting at is, take a bike set up for those conditoins, and go to a big purse somewhere where the conditions, are less than stellar........, you have to change things.......
take a bike with a great lock up tune, set to hook anywhere, and still go fast......., and take it to a bad track , it runs the same et. Take it to a good track, same et..........
That is my point.
LIke I said, I am not bashing you. But also, I have seen guys run like your buddy does. A lock up will make his bike so much calmer its not even funny......., and more consistent, and not near as hard on the drivetrain.
BTW, what is your class down there, just a no rules bike class? How many bikes run boxes vs how many do not?
How many total bikes in the class? Just curious. Wanting to compare numbers to what some of the MO, OK and AR tracks get.
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