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posted January 08, 2009 06:33 PM
Not me...........but I prefer squat to bending over, at least most of the time. LOL
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posted January 08, 2009 08:28 PM
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Not me...........but I prefer squat to bending over, at least most of the time. LOL
I know a few girls that like to be bent over if a situation comes up....:P
as far as angle goes, (Nox will agree) make the swingarm level with you on the bike. dont lower it too far
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posted January 09, 2009 11:41 AM
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I actually understood all of that and took some good information from it.
Same here.....
thanks
i not claiming that it was or is all me
wasnt about me...................................
has been worked out in 4 decades of racing
& if "squat" had read it once ...... understood it [he didnt]
he wouldnt have asked the question.................................this aint no quiz show
[wheres my prize? ? ? ? ]
no less scott if you start out level...........................not a bad place to start
with a shok the swingarm will go "negative".......not good
the other thing i needed to interject into the discussion
the longer one makes the swingarm.....................the more "leverage " is involved
torque is multiplied..........HP is NOT
several hundre foot pounds of torque are being leveraged down that swingarm
everyone knows that the longer the lever ...................the bigger the advantage
or disadvantage.............the longer swingarm is working the shok H A R D E R
while most riders dont want a bike standing up
that doewsnt mean that most or all the motive force is sending them foward
way out around 68 inches..................ought to be in the 8's
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posted January 09, 2009 11:47 AM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 9 Jan 2009 19:48
I asked the question because I deal more in the practical application, not the theoretical (unlike you). Anyone can read a thread or article. Applying it to a specific bike is a different story.
I am looking for feedback from real drag racers....not internet racers.
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posted January 09, 2009 11:54 AM
For those who want to read up on some theory, here is a good article:
http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_0404_motorcycle_traction_geometry/index.html
Now, back to practical application on the ZX-14....
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posted January 09, 2009 11:58 AM
i never presented any theory
i never said i was the guru & my way was the right way
& i will say it again
if you knew & understood..................................you would not have asked the ?
you would know the right or practical application for your 14
fact is you asked
fact is you dont
fact is you want to make this personal....................................you failed on all fronts
many understood what i said
i dont write or publish books
& there are a lot of successful racers that dont
you aint 1 of em
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posted January 09, 2009 12:08 PM
And here is a more in-depth thread....the one where Flite got his info:
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=27&TID=40590&set_time=
Flite is an internet racer to the highest degree. I would caution anyone reading this thread to process what he says very carefully. If possible, seek out those with practical experience.
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posted January 09, 2009 12:18 PM
& yet you have notthe answer to your own question
thats rich
you are weaker than bottled water.................................flaccid
look at the times on my post
i could not read & typed in that period of time
no less look at the technical subect matter
i approached the subject from several differentiated POVs
to most that would indicate a broad in depth amount of knowledge
the info......knowledge is 30 years old
yet you call it theory as if 1st grade math is theory
while it may be beyond your reach...........................................it aint theory
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posted January 09, 2009 12:26 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 9 Jan 2009 20:26
That thread is from months ago, so what do you mean you could not "read and type in period that time"?
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posted January 09, 2009 12:29 PM
months ago.........................i didnt see
even now i know not what thread you are talking about
& if you knew about it......................why ask the stupid questiom
thats right S T U P I D ! ! !! ............. the epitome you are
you know not the answer to your own question...............................yet
you know of the Phantom thread.................................i dont
you now know of a book........with all the info
yet you dont know the answer to you own ?
a perfect example of S T U P I D ! ! ! ! ! ! !
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posted January 09, 2009 12:35 PM
The link to the thread is above. What are you talking about?? How is that a phantom thread?
I am still looking for practical information, as it applies to the ZX-14. Not as it applies in general, nor as it applies to cars, nor as it applies to your moped....get it?
You think that because someone reads some general info online, they now have the answer to the question in all applications? No. That is the difference between the theoretical and the practical application of knowledge.
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posted January 09, 2009 12:50 PM
you dont know whati think
im still unfamiliar with that link.............................havent seen it
didnt post to it
when it come to swingarms & launching
neither are zx14 inclusive or exclusive
as i said be i am not aguru
no where in a 1/2 dozen post did i ever say what i did.........................or
what you or anybody else SHOULD do...................................NOT ONCE
of course you would have to adapt any..........thats right ANY info
to your situation
thats a given
it would change with rider..........bike weight
forks lower or strapped
dogg bones or shox
shinko or MH slicks
toooooooooo many variables for 1 answer
yet where i started & what i delineated upon is a very good place to start
so you keep your thread..........& your book
you have admitted you know not how to set up your bike
& you have accomplished that on your own
i answered your question
another rider/racer wanted more in depth explanation
he got it
& another said he got something out of it
thats all i could do.................................................& to the detriment of no one ! ! !!
i have not shown myself to be afraud
nor have i given info that would cost anyone .....................anything
if you.....they........or anyone choose not to read + understand
what ive posted
so be it
im not diminished at all
yet you remain forever S T U P I D ! ! ! ! !
dont know the answer to your own question
& you have books & threads
pathetic..............................................................so Sad
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posted January 09, 2009 12:56 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 9 Jan 2009 20:56
The link is posted in this thread. Obviously you are not even reading the thread.
You have indeed "shown yourself to be a fraud" in almost every thread (including this one).
Whatever someone else got from your drivel....they can get 10X better info from the two links that I provided...and they can get it in proper English.
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posted January 09, 2009 01:05 PM
i never said they couldnt expand the subject
fact is they should get as much info from many different sources
thru any media they wish
there may be a thousand sources out there........................troubles me little
the only way i could be a fraud
if i said i was the one......only.....true source
i didnt say that ......
i didnt post that
in fact they can disregard you & me................................means nothing to me
cept when im in staging ..............................& i see someone is set up wrong
i already know i got him sussed
we have all seen them sey up wrong....................
bikes that look like theyve been broken in the middle
sure it wont stand up..............................................wont launch worth a damn neither
some with swinarms.....................past the class limit
sure they wont stand up...............................most in this area are "positive"
they are more mine is longer than urz.............
they dont launch worth a damn either
no "dynamic" weight transfer
someone is going to read......& understand what i posted
i was just sharing
maybe you meet eyeball to eyeball across the xmas tree
maybe u lose
you do because you dont know
& worse
you dont understand
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posted January 09, 2009 01:14 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 9 Jan 2009 21:17
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means nothing to me
cept when im in staging ..............................& i see someone is set up wrong
i already know i got him sussed
So....what is your motorcycle drag racing experience?
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posted January 09, 2009 01:23 PM
not as extensive as my road racing experience
i went from street racing to drag & back to street racing.......................more profitable
my equiptment got a rep for being fast..............................
i learned from some very good builders............................
one in fact was very good.............he could build anything better than most
tho he was less the tuner
i became a very good tuner.....................really really good
i was encouraged to get into road racing
very different from drag....................................yet good equiptment
will yield good results
i was taught by the best that preparation is at least 1/2 the win
many list 30 different aftermarket things they have bought..................
1/2 dont contribute as much as they think
thats where the tuner thing really started to separate the wheat from the chaff
all those cams..pistons.....etc
the results were not that much better
sure they had spent the money.........................yet the combination
the sum of ALL parts simply wasnt that much better
take for instance this little tidbit
top end tuning makes for a lousy launch tune
if you are at a marginal track..........bad launches
tune top end..... come off the line moderate
if the track aint giving up 60 footers..........................u aint gettin none either
now weve all seen someone get run down at the big end................................true that
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posted January 09, 2009 01:27 PM
What type of bikes were you racing?
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posted January 09, 2009 01:45 PM
ive owned at least a dozen kawaskis.......................thats 12+
some hondas..... 1 yamaha [a great race bike] & a few ducatis
i knew quite a few drag racers
was having a similar discussion the night larry mcbride went into the 5's
less than 10 mins from where i sit.......& his
daughter broken arm & all back stopped me that nite
guys were talkin smak........................& thats all
she agreed with what i was sayin
heres a Va name im sure youaint familiar with
JIM MCCLURE wasa very good friend.............taught me alot
he in turn was a very good friend of 1 of those stalwart kaw racers
Elmer Trett
both mountain men when it comes to racing
both the only 2 men in my life it could be said
"The Older they got......The FASTER THEY Got "
Damn good......Right men...........NO smak talking
RACERS ! ! ! !! !
nuf said
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posted January 09, 2009 01:51 PM
So, would it be fair to say:
1) You were a street racer for money.
2) You have drag raced many bikes.
3) You have a lot of roadracing experience.
4) You were part of an International Endurance Racing Team.
5) You were good friends with famous deceased racers.
Does this sum up your pedigree?
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posted January 09, 2009 01:55 PM
Edited By: flite leader on 9 Jan 2009 21:57
no
only dogz have pedigrees
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posted January 09, 2009 01:59 PM
now let me ask u a few questions
do you know what a "hygrometre" is
do you know how to use it
do you know anyone that is using DIRECT INJECTION on a drag bike
name person or team
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posted January 09, 2009 02:02 PM
Flite, would it be fair to say:
1) You were a street racer for money.
2) You have drag raced many bikes.
3) You have a lot of roadracing experience.
4) You were part of an International Endurance Racing Team.
5) You were good friends with famous deceased racers.
Is this true?
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posted January 09, 2009 02:06 PM
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now let me ask u a few questions
do you know what a "hygrometre" is
do you know how to use it
do you know anyone that is using DIRECT INJECTION on a drag bike
name person or team
I'm going to start a separate thread on psychrometers. You're going to love it. lol
I don't know about the direct injection...will it help me set up the suspension on my 14? If so, please tell me.
How much squat do you think I need?
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posted January 09, 2009 02:08 PM
Edited By: flite leader on 9 Jan 2009 22:08
still waiting on the direct injection question
you see porschthis year debuted direct injection
for mass produced autos
it has been used for years on diesel truck engines
no doubt man y have thought about
even maybe tried it on motorcycle engines
i know a guy that raced with it on his ....... thats right Direct Injection
you live in Va
you ought to know this one & NO it aint me.....................ha
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posted January 09, 2009 02:09 PM
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do you know what a "hygrometre" is
its spelled Hygrometer, and it measures humidity. who cares?
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