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posted December 30, 2008 10:28 AM
FACTORY vs AFTERMARKET
mat mladin got disqualified simply because his crank did NOT have the factory markings on it
not because it was proven he had a lighter crank.......stronger or a different material
reason being when ford or suzuki or any large manufacturer order parts
they usually come off of different lines
no 1 machine or shift couldsupply the full run
even 2 CNC machines set up the same Will NOT produce EXACT parts
close yet NOT Exactly
this is ACCEPTED MANUFACTURING TOLERANCES
when a vendor for same motor is tasked or contracted
he going to make a run of parts a fraction of what the manufacturer uses
smaller runs more than likely come off the same machine & to TIGHTER tolerances
suzuki will stand there & hand pick the factory standard rods
the ones that are longer to get more piston "dwell"...............Hand PICK them !!!
yet they will pass muster at tech inspection as factory standard rods
& they are
some just better than others
that being said tolerance across any engine component varies
no less the exact reason same engines ame day will put out different HP
nothing new about that
yet when an engine is assembled from an amalagam of parts
those parts from that grab bag if assembled consistently will yield the best results
if you measure pistons 1 set or 100 you will find variances
if you measure rod length & big to small ends..... center to center
you will find differences stock or modified
if you have good gauges.........& are meticulous....................again nothing new
overall the very reason few parts...Factory or Aftermarket are plug & play
if 1 cylinder measures correct.................the others are still a lotto ticket
unless you check em
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posted December 30, 2008 10:30 AM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 30 Dec 2008 18:55
I bet you've inspected a LOT of cranks in your day.
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posted December 30, 2008 11:11 AM
yes i have & im not ashamed to say so
yet yours is the only gay reference..................your interest ?
i see your avatar shows your inclination
reading an engine when you take it down is as important
as putting it together
which tolerances increased.....decreased
if you checkout someseries you wwill see some parts dont fail
& many that do most good teams & builders realize its assembly
that little extra of knowing what to do ......& what NOT to do
& the nest teardown making the correct assessment
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posted December 30, 2008 11:17 AM
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yet yours is the only gay reference..................your interest ?
i see your avatar shows your inclination
That is the best thing you've ever posted on this board...pretty funny!  
And just when I was about to put you on "ignore" status...damn!
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posted December 30, 2008 11:37 AM
im troubled little by the ignore list
or the tailgunning
i have not nor would i ever say anything to hurt anyone
or their ride
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posted December 30, 2008 12:02 PM
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im troubled little by the ignore list
or the tailgunning
i have not nor would i ever say anything to hurt anyone
or their ride
Well, I don't think you are trying to deliberately mislead anyone. It just seems like you only know the theory (to a point), and not the application. And you try to sell the theory like you know from experience...which seems doubtful.
That is why people are going to ignore you and flame you.
If you want people to take you seriously...let's see some of your work....and some results. Otherwise, you come off as just another internet expert.
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posted December 30, 2008 12:34 PM
i dont care if people take me seriously
i aint sellin a damn thing
i dont know it all....... theory or otherwise
many would agree with my pov ....... other differ
neither right or wrong
yet tooooooo much testosterone & smak talkin just because you are netting
out on a dyno is crap
motoGP has more HHP than they can use.......rossi didnt have the most last year
Championship
top fuel cars are running 1000 feet now instead of the 1/4
soon it will be less
the tyre are NOT rated for the HPor speeds
the NOPI guys are doing far better at MAX HP on engines not much bigger
& they use alot of what im talkin about
so when a guy is down around 300HP UNreliable HP & talkin smak
kinda gets my attention
if i built somethin to compete against anythin or anyone
i rather be slow than for it to net out like what ive been seeing
theory...................not
just good basic mechanicing
i aint putting together anything i can set up & measure
probably check it 2-3 times
& u think youd end up with a slag pile from that
would you rather have a heart/neurosurgeon with strong theory
knowledge & little experience
or a surgeon with little theory or knowledge
a serious problem these days in the states
hope you dont falll victim to that scenario
my theory ..... my results
even if i couldnt.......................better ask somebody
you forgot i said 4+ years international endurance racing
never a failure
in that era even tho many thought we were just riding around
we werent
6......8......24 hours near & sometimes below track records
speeds 130-185
thats reliability
i aint got nuthin to prove
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posted December 30, 2008 12:39 PM
Which Endurance Racing Team were you associated with?
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posted December 31, 2008 09:35 AM
I hear crickets.
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posted December 31, 2008 11:06 AM
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Which Endurance Racing Team were you associated with?
& your race team.......................
& scotts race team.........................? ? ? ? ?
& no less yikyikyikyik.........race team ? ? ? ? ? ?
its really funny you say its ok to put me or anyone else on Blast & to flame them
yet it Not ok for me to comment on EXACTLY what i SEE
pix presented on the site
entropy wants to delete posts.................... i cant imagine why
you keep saying all i do is talk about theory..........................& U ARE TOTALLY INCORRECT
i comment on exactly what i SEE........................................CORRECTLY
even yikky made FALSE allegations of me giving advice....TOTALLY NOT TRUE
you & anyone else can build as crappy an engine as you like
but dont pass it off to be the shiznitz ! ! ! !!! & Da Bomb ! ! ! ! !
when its a slag pile..............................really i dont get to put someone on Blast ? ? ?
to Flame ? ? ? ? ? WHY ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
yeah i know its a one way street
theory......
years ago & i know some will remember
my POV was the 12 had the Worst airbox causing distribution problems
since then vindicated by many manfacturers
i even stated clearly the EXACT factors................THE FLAT FLOOR
yet every manufacturer changed their airboxes.....................& the 12 still has the worst
[of course they aint changin......... they dont make em anymore]
recently yamaha changed 1 of those primary factors........as i had mentioned years ago
the "firing order" by changing the firing order they changed the pulsing in the box
& the distribution
how did they do it...............................that 90 degree crank
which solvedquite a few problems
did they net out Smak Talkin badAZZ HP...........................................NO
but they did manage to mitigate several problems............no one broke more #3 crank journals when they raced the R7
crankwhip was 1.......firing order another [cars & bikes have had essentially the same 4 cyl firing order ]................intake charge distribution [ on the 12 with the flat floor all cylinders dont get equal charge .............HELL on a NOS bike]
& power to the rubber
now thats theory.................................its also Knowledge
there are at least a 1/2 dozen crank configurations today
big bang..... long bang [my girlfriend like both]
trying to net more traction.................................NOT more HP
think about it that 700hp 260mph Zook at maxton uses the
same size tyres as a 600
i could show you the cure for the 12 airbox.........rather simple
why bother when all you get is acrimony
vincent lives just a lil more than an hour away
i had thought wed bump into each other......... i could show him
maybe he would be amenable
what ive found is most racers are thin skinned
they like to blast & flame.........................kick other Plums
not very open to anything they didnt think up
believe me i dont need the credit
so compare a 12 airbox to a 14
or a busa........simply not as good
thats THEORY
actual & factual
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posted December 31, 2008 11:17 AM
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you forgot i said 4+ years international endurance racing
Flite,
Those are your words above.
Which Endurance Racing Team were you associated with?
Thanks.
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posted December 31, 2008 03:56 PM
Point is this..., that was a blueprinted motor, I am sure........, at least had the cases split, and a cut tranny for sure.........,
It is the mechanic's job to make sure it passes tech........, if there was an issue, he should have called tech, and discussed.
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posted December 31, 2008 04:50 PM
I`ve spent the time on motors to take the required measurements and I`ve just put motors together with parts out of the box....But without a dyno I wouldn`t/couldn`t tell the difference,but either way they didn`t blow up....And one motor that I just put together without all the required measureing(I did do some measrureing) is still together after countless runs down the dragstrip....But thats the only racing I do....Maybe in an endurance race the motor wouldn`t last to the end,(maybe I just got lucky) but I only race 8 to 9 seconds at a time......JMO....
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posted January 02, 2009 11:30 AM
many do that & have great luck...................................buy a lotto ticket
others dont care because its the main ingredient to smak talking
yet if you look at the highest forms of racing
getting the most out of an engine & NOT breaking is the goal
while many dont like nascar those engines can run All weekend & very few blow
in some races they have far more wrecks that take cars out than mechanical problems
at daytona in july an engine might go 600 miles............................in charlotte MORE
lots of drag racers go all season long especially on gas............NOT top fuel
it can be done
most fine tune & fine tune & end up running faster by season end
if you are satisfied with your results.................................ok
just sayin thats not the only way & certainly not the best
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posted January 02, 2009 11:39 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 2 Jan 2009 19:39
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you forgot i said 4+ years international endurance racing
Flite,
Those are your words above.
Which Endurance Racing Team were you associated with?
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posted January 02, 2009 11:44 AM
those are your words above ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
happy new year shane
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posted January 02, 2009 11:57 AM
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those are your words above ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
happy new year shane
Obviously you weren't associated with any racing team, as you claim. Just another case of you spewing bullshit.
Happy New Year.
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posted January 02, 2009 12:23 PM
this is where it hurts
guy you acting like a bitch ! ! !
this is where it hurts
WOULD YOU LIKE TO BET...................................................
$100.....$1000........$10000 CASH OR YOUR BIKE
WOULD YOU...................................................CAUSE
I HAVE THE ENTRY SLIPS........THE PICTURES........& OTHER CONFIRMATION
SO WOULD YOU
OR LIKE A BITCH SULK OFF TO SOME CORNER...........simpering
cause i know u aint got the $$$$$$$
you wont risk your bike
just a loud mouth punk
see stting the hook is fun.......................................then u poke their eyes out ! ! !!
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posted January 02, 2009 12:29 PM
What are you talking about?
What team were you associated with?
Until you can answer that question, you are obviously the little bitch. 
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posted January 02, 2009 12:35 PM
no you are the sniveling bitch
puting ...... whining..... for the opportunity to rate my life
you got a 1/4 million dollar racing equiptment in your garage
got race bikes from europe in your garage
have you raced every track in eastern [not daytona] america & 3 in canada
HAVE YOU
then how can some lil bitch rate my life
i got 7 bikes at home NOW worth 6 figures
& you gonna rate me
damn straight uz a bitch
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posted January 02, 2009 12:40 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 2 Jan 2009 20:40
So....which team were you associated with?
Everyone is waiting for that answer.
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posted January 02, 2009 12:46 PM
& everyone can wait
i have no proof of what anybody on the forum says
you or anybody else
& you attempt to hold my feet to the fire
& you & nobody else will answer ANY of my questions.......... WHY IS THAT
i know because you'd be MAKING MY POINT plain & simple
when i asked doug what he would do if he had an aircraft engine rebuilt
wih ANY of the aforementioned flaws
i knew the answer.......Doug knew the answer
those facilities are LICENSED/CERTIFIED & if he saw ANYthing remotely resembling
what he sees on the site in these photos
he'd go buy a mule & a bicycle & ride them both b4 he would fly again
theory aint knowledge
i know somethings to a certainty
IF YOU DONT ......................................GET EDUCATED
then u poke their eyes out
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posted January 02, 2009 12:50 PM
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& everyone can wait
i have no proof of what anybody on the forum says
you or anybody else
We only need your proof, my friend. And you obviously have none.
Thank you for confirming the obvious.
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posted January 02, 2009 12:53 PM
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quote:
& everyone can wait
i have no proof of what anybody on the forum says
you or anybody else
We only need your proof, my friend. And you obviously have none.
Thank you for confirming the obvious.
Shane
i have the proof & i mentioned i DID
NOW BET ME I DONT
you could be $10000 dollars richer...........................................NOT
bet me dud ....... c'mon
you can do it
& then u poke their eye balls out
see i know you live in VA..........................this would be easily taken care of
maybe put your slow moto ..........................that would do it
best way to shut up a loud mouth punk
send him home walkin.........................
then u poke their eye balls out
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posted January 02, 2009 01:04 PM
So, back to the question:
Which endurance racing team were you associated with?
Thanks.
Shane
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