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posted December 29, 2008 05:35 PM
I'm running R6 pistons in my GSX-R1000. Shhhhhh - don't tell the AMA Tech Inspectors.
  
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posted December 29, 2008 05:56 PM
bend your mind around this one :P
my clutch. MTC billet basket, Muzzy hub, Muzzy hub bearing sleeve, OEM frictions, Muzzy steels and one OEM steel, MTC modified pressure plate, MTC pusher shaft, MTC lock up snowflake, MTC light springs and shims, MTC spacer plate, MTC bearing support. and thats just the clutch
nope, parts dont swap. lmfao
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posted December 29, 2008 06:58 PM
HAHAHAHAHA another rev limiter thread.
man.
ban him.. lmao
i mean, i'm a web wannbe too, but A. i admit it and B. i KNOW (not speculate/theorize/regurgitate) a pretty good bit and have applied it, and can provide proof of it. i work in the field, building bikes, tuning, diagnostics and repair is my 7-day-a-week job.
flite, buddy.. sit back, relax, and learn from some of the top names in the tuning and building industry like i do.
save yourself a heart attack from your constant anxiety and combative nature, and save your fellow board members the time of going thru the "trouble" of spending that extra couple seconds out of their busy day to add you to the ignore list. 
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posted December 29, 2008 10:07 PM
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HAHAHAHAHA another rev limiter thread.
man.
ban him.. lmao
i mean, i'm a web wannbe too, but A. i admit it and B. i KNOW (not speculate/theorize/regurgitate) a pretty good bit and have applied it, and can provide proof of it. i work in the field, building bikes, tuning, diagnostics and repair is my 7-day-a-week job.
flite, buddy.. sit back, relax, and learn from some of the top names in the tuning and building industry like i do.
save yourself a heart attack from your constant anxiety and combative nature, and save your fellow board members the time of going thru the "trouble" of spending that extra couple seconds out of their busy day to add you to the ignore list.
whitehendrix,
yep, that ole flite-guy crash lands every thread he posts on, but i still find his chunky spew humorous.
I'm not about to start deleting his crazed haiku, nope!
BTW: are you gonna come down to Maxton in 2009? Meet up with of us nut cases?
Flite is certainly welcome to come also, but i'm guessing his planet is kinda far away.
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posted December 29, 2008 10:13 PM
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I'm running R6 pistons in my GSX-R1000. Shhhhhh - don't tell the AMA Tech Inspectors.
YOU can get away with mixing those parts (and taking the performace gains!) because you know the relationship between tire pressure and rectifier output.
Most people don't, and they shouldn't be mixing R6 and GSXR1000 parts!
Listen to Flite!!
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posted December 30, 2008 07:52 AM
Its interesting how Flite has never EVER given any specific details on anything. Just general statements with no substance. No actual numbers or clearance recomendations, surface finishes, specific assembly procedures, checking procedures etc. Nada, Nothing.
Yet he sounds like he knows ALL the answers but never actually answers any specific question about ANY topic or aspect of building an engine.
I have nothing agenst someone who doesnt know about this stuff. But I do have a problem with someone giving false information and passing it off as fact.
I strongly warn anyone fron using any of his advise on any thread. I've seen way too much B/S.
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posted December 30, 2008 08:51 AM
it not about knowing it all...... mostly avoiding the mistakes
a few here would have you believe you can assemble an engine
just buy the parts......lay them out......put them together
it can be done....... exactlythat way & then you get
crashed valves.....nicked pistons.....pistons hitting heads.....
thats Exactlywhat you get
my question was how do you measure skirt to crank clearance
if you reverSE fit the engine......................................answer is YOU CANT
now thats not a case of knowing it all.......................just knowing
you can convince anyone that you can scratch paper the math..........
& NOT set up & measure & BE RIGHT...................simply aint possible
thats not knowing it ALL.............................simply fact
fact is for a vendor that makes small runs of parts in comparison to a manufacturer
MOST Times he can manufacturer parts to closer tolerances..........provide you
a better product.......................resulting in better results
yet he CANT provide 1 set of rods .... or pistons for every engine variation
the piston might be a 12.5 CR 1mm overbore to a known deck height & head clearance
USUALLY STOCK !!!!!!!! stock rods.....stock crank......stock head gaskets etc
builders all over are then use every combination of rods.....head gaskets....
pistons, add up all the combinations........in theTHOUSANDS ! ! ! ! ! !
simple fact is you Have to Measure
that not having ALL the answers
thats following good mechanic procedure
to avois crash valves with pistons & crashing pistons w heads & WORSE
LAST OF aLL ........ I HAVENT GIVEN ANY ADVICE
as a result no one can or have the opportunity to take it to heart
build a slag heap & blow it up..........i havent given any
i have commented CORRECTLY on photos presented
other mechanic have seen same said photos
they also would allow a change of spark plugs in their lawn mowers
so what false info are you referring to
please cut & paste or you join the ranks of the
BOGUS...... THE SPECIOUS ..........FRAUDS
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posted December 30, 2008 10:37 AM
lol... yea, whatever.
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posted December 30, 2008 10:58 AM
yeah it "whatever " when you LIE & You are A FRAUD ! ! !!
toooooooooo EZ to Cut & Paste all the bad advice & erroneous info
a 3rd grader could do that
fact is there is no bad advice or info ......................NONE ! ! ! ! !
THE Sky IS FALLIN...................WOLF !!!!!
yeah whatever
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SAD ! !!
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tcchin
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posted December 30, 2008 01:02 PM
So are you mixing your Chicken Little with your Cry Wolf parables now? I think those come from different manufacturers and may not be compatible. You better check their manufacturing tolerances.
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posted December 30, 2008 01:10 PM
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fact is there is no bad advice or info ......................NONE ! ! ! ! !
Flite posted above:
"my question was how do you measure skirt to crank clearance
if you reverSE fit the engine......................................answer is YOU CANT"
That is bad advice
strike #1
Classifying Y2K a "FRAUD"
strike #2
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posted December 30, 2008 05:11 PM
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whitehendrix,
....BTW: are you gonna come down to Maxton in 2009? Meet up with of us nut cases?
Flite is certainly welcome to come also, but i'm guessing his planet is kinda far away.
Yes sir, I will CERTAINLY make every effort humanly possible to do this!! i really more than anything want to get another shop going, and i'll be doing it in wilmington, so i think there may be a convenience factor there as well.
money is completely trashed from a license fiasco that resulted in alot of fines and a wee bit o jail 
so, all the money thus far must be sunk into restoring my driving priveleges first, then i can meet and compete afterwards!! haha
i honestly think tho that (i'm in West Virginia right now) if i get there in the next month or 2 nd settle into a good paying electrical job whilst doing the shop stuff on the side (since i'll be a nobody there and have no reputation) i can have everything straightened out by the end of spring.
it would be an absolute honor to meet the mad scientists of bikeland in person and shoot the shit. 
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posted December 30, 2008 05:25 PM
Edited By: APE Jay on 31 Dec 2008 01:27
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Scott, Without an oil temp gauge I'd say 10 min of riding after the water temp is at its "normal" place should be fine.
an
Jay, why arent the JE pins "good pins" ? they were in the piston kit that i got from APE
2 yrs in a row now i wasnt able to finish the local heads up event. (first time was trans popping in and out of gear, this time spit shims) you better believe i
Scott;
None of the aftermarket piston manufacturers include too steel pins with their pistons. JE pins are fine for what they are. On the piston pages of our websites, we provide direct links to our tool steel pin page so you can add them at the time of purchase.
http://aperaceparts.com/wristpins.html
The point in my post was that JE runs their pin bore sizes a bit on the small side,. We usually have to run the hone thru them when our pins are included. So you would not have any problem putting a light hone on your's.
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posted December 30, 2008 05:36 PM
thx for the clarification Jay. are your pins lighter too or just stronger?
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posted December 30, 2008 09:53 PM
Probably just stronger.
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posted December 30, 2008 10:58 PM
Wow!! A guy is gone for a few days and comes back and this bad boy is 3 pages long. lol.
Scott, this is a great post with great pictures and a lot of good info from our resident experts. Thank you for posting it.
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posted December 31, 2008 11:22 AM
wtf?????
let me see
most builder/mechanics faced with knackered piston pins & pistons
would love to know why...........
the either try to mitigate or eliminate the cause
thereby eliminating future mechanical problems........... the Worst Catastrophic failure
which usually results in a broken rod........broken cases or cylinder
not a small consideration
i know oiling of piston pins..................Not easy
sevearl manufacturers use jets that spray oil under the pistons
from a rail in the cases
some actually drill the big end rod & bearings to do same
either way............................ KNOWN problem
right here.......right now
you dont
i dont
he dont
know what ..... why ..... or how
yet slam that nutha engine together ? ? ? ? ? ??
now thats whe i say WTF ! !! ! ! !! ! !
finding out
minimizing or eliminating
would be what most shops would do
& NO under any circumstances would i used damaged parts
you & many..........................live with your perogative
i simply would NEVER put damaged parts in another engine
to Shane thats theory
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posted December 31, 2008 11:54 AM
Flite, I told you why the pistons were galling.
And I stated that honeing them would be an acceptable repair.
How many piston pin bores in pistons have you "repaired" honed and re-run to say that it doesnt work or isnt a proper repair?
Please tell us.
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posted December 31, 2008 03:43 PM
Well at least I learned a couple more details about setting squish from this thread. What's a safe piston to valve clearance you guys would use and what's those #'s on a full race build?
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posted January 01, 2009 12:02 AM
i have some numbers @ home i got from the experts(including y2k ), ill post them if someone doesnt beat me to it. im not sure of my exact location(friend of a friends after a bar... with a computer!), but ill figure it out tomorrow with a headach im sure lol. happy new yrs 
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00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted January 01, 2009 12:02 PM
man I should have stayed home last night....(drinks another glass of water)
good thread on clearances here. safe numbers, how to measure, what affects them ect http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=13&TID=39768&set_time=1213544568
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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