quote:3 sec's a lap slower for 30 laps is a1.5 minutes ...that my freind is a ass kicking in the 1st degree ....
make sumthin out of nothin ..............................tell the whole story
thats 3 sec slower than the fastest bike in america ..................NOT AT THE SAME TUNE
the 600's are no where near the tune of YOSHIMURAS/MLADIN-SPIES zook
you are nutz talkin out yo azz to say so
plus the fastes 600 were faster than approx 50% of the 1000 grid
so the 1000's were takin the azz whippin ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
in that case bucko lets just do away with the 2 differant classes and run 600's with 1000's and lets see if a 600 ever win another race again EVER ..,.
600's are as worthless as tits are on a bull ...
buy won and come on over i'll teach you the lesson the hardway and you can trade that worthless junk for a real bike like a zx14
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posted December 11, 2008 08:05 PM
when my brother raced at summit point for about 5 years there was a couple of F2s that entered in the 750 and 600 classes and thay did quite well. i will not say they wone the bigger classes but there were a bit of 750s behind them.
then in the 600 class there was a honda 250 guy that entered in the 250 and 600 classes. needless to say the 250 was a real racer 2cycle (god i hated waking up in the pits at 6am to some ass just reving his 125 or 250 racer ying,ying, ying. but the guy with the 250 was all over the 600s. and this time i will say i am thinking he won once or twice.
he was good.
i guess why i am saying that is this 1000 vs 600 stuff on a track could go both ways if the person on the 600 has the balls and knolage to get all out of the 600 cause there is not many who can get all from these newer 1000cc i my self do not think up where we ride someone on a zx14 who talks big can wop up on a setup 600 who knows the road. the switch backs kill most on 600 compaired to my big bike but there is a down hill for almost every up hill and the guy who pushes his balls in a wheelbarrow in front of him can kill a big bike on the down side.
not to mention the r1 rider showing up to the grove thinking this gsxr600 is toast till he realizes it is geared and strapped and ran below 10.5 to his 11 flat.
sort of like my 12 getting a busa when that is impossable cause it can not be fast cause it is not a busa. just be carefull for what yoyu wish for. odds are you will kill a 600 but i bet there is a guy on a 600 someware who will have enough skill and enough bike to do it.
posted December 11, 2008 09:48 PM
Edited By: tcchin on 12 Dec 2008 07:18
Since we're talking about roadracing, and since Karl has goaded me off my considerable socal ass, let's talk about AMA Pro Racing at Daytona in 2008. Superbike pole time was 1:35.760 by Mat. Formula Xtreme pole time was 1:39.347 by Neil. Superstock pole time was 1:38.231 by Aaron. Supersport pole time was 1:40.346 by BBoz.
See http://www.amaproracing.com/prorace/raceres/rr/cres.asp?cls=ls&snct=p8200&type=q&year=2008 for more info.
So a modified 1000 with the best rider in the paddock will lap about 2.5 seconds faster than a stockish 1000 with a former and eventual 2008 class champion, 3.6 seconds faster than a similarly-modified 600 with a former World Superbike champion and 4.6 seconds faster than a stockish 600 with DOT tires and a former AMA Superbike champion, multiple WSB race winner and eventual 2008 AMA Supersport champion.
A modified 600 on 16.5" slicks is about a second faster than a stockish 600 on 17" DOT's and about a second slower than a stockish 1000 on 17" slicks.
These are the facts, and they can be authenticated. A well-prepared and well-ridden FX bike could qualify on the 4th row of a Superbike race and on the 2nd row of a Superstock race. I'm not offering any opinions here; I'm just stating facts.
quote:im an old street racer .......from when pinks started
then a endurance road racer
iv worked on hondas ......yamahas
harleys........a few fast zooks
im a rider first.........road racer second & a really good tuner
at the hess station ......lets say i aint been called out in years
getting the most out of a bike is easy
That's cool and all, I was once a very competitive street racer myself before I moved on to racing at sanctioned events.. but I think you missed the question a little.
What do you ride and what have you done in competition, as in 1/4 mile, 1/8 mile, 1 mile, bonn, lap times, etc...
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oh, and i HAVE seen 600's in the 9's.. boosted. .yeah.. but still.. it IS a 600!! hahaaa
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well yeah ...but bring any boost 600 to a race with boost zx14's or busa's and lets see what wins...
you can pull your head from your ass on that commit also...
my heads not in my ass dude. no need to attack me. i was just making a statement. that's kind of a "no shit" comment there on who would win a race..
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quote:im an old street racer .......from when pinks started
then a endurance road racer
iv worked on hondas ......yamahas
harleys........a few fast zooks
im a rider first.........road racer second & a really good tuner
at the hess station ......lets say i aint been called out in years
getting the most out of a bike is easy
That's cool and all, I was once a very competitive street racer myself before I moved on to racing at sanctioned events.. but I think you missed the question a little.
What do you ride and what have you done in competition, as in 1/4 mile, 1/8 mile, 1 mile, bonn, lap times, etc...
no i didnt miss the question
first it aint about me
second i dont brag
3rd if you read the answer correctly ....... let me ask you how many 24 endurance engines have you built
how many international sanctioned events have you participated in
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posted December 13, 2008 10:59 AM
It's unlikely that a *production* 600 could be modified to produce a reliable, normally-aspirated 200 bhp. First of all, there just isn't enough stiffness or strength in the production crankcase to support that kind of redline. It only gets worse from there.
I will grant you that a prototype, purpose-built 600 may get close to 170 bhp, but that kind of specific power output is beyond even what F1 cars and current MotoGP bikes produce, and would be stretching the limits of current materials science. Also, 170 bhp is still well short of a Busa, and the torque would be about half of what a Busa churns out.
posted December 13, 2008 11:12 AM
Edited By: flite leader on 13 Dec 2008 19:16
quote:It's unlikely that a *production* 600 could be modified to produce a reliable, normally-aspirated 200 bhp. First of all, there just isn't enough stiffness or strength in the production crankcase to support that kind of redline. It only gets worse from there.
I will grant you that a prototype, purpose-built 600 may get close to 170 bhp, but that kind of specific power output is beyond even what F1 cars and current MotoGP bikes produce, and would be stretching the limits of current materials science. Also, 170 bhp is still well short of a Busa, and the torque would be about half of what a Busa churns out.
1st of all not so !!!!!!
& we are talking race engines......... & you preface you skepticism with a stock engine
way to go
yet 600's stock for years have produced more HP per cc than ANY
other production motors bar NONE
HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT
second of all the 800 are as normally aspirated........NO NOS...... NO BOOST
there is plenty more left in them
now i know you & many like you big blocks................yet look at the HP being produced
porsche gets the same HP & faster car than corvette gets out of a 7 litre v8
& they are NO Where near the HP per cc that motorcycles enjoy
a piston..... is a piston......rods.......are rods
nothing magical going on here
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quote:3 sec's a lap slower for 30 laps is a1.5 minutes ...that my freind is a ass kicking in the 1st degree ....
make sumthin out of nothin ..............................tell the whole story
thats 3 sec slower than the fastest bike in america ..................NOT AT THE SAME TUNE
the 600's are no where near the tune of YOSHIMURAS/MLADIN-SPIES zook
you are nutz talkin out yo azz to say so
plus the fastes 600 were faster than approx 50% of the 1000 grid
so the 1000's were takin the azz whippin ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
in that case bucko lets just do away with the 2 differant classes and run 600's with 1000's and lets see if a 600 ever win another race again EVER ..,.
600's are as worthless as tits are on a bull ...
buy won and come on over i'll teach you the lesson the hardway and you can trade that worthless junk for a real bike like a zx14
cant wait til a see a 14 on a road race track........i could live to be 150
no less 600s may actually become the class of motorcycles in that time
ive got big bikes A& mid sized bikes
no doubt they will do some things the other wont
as the march of technology goes on
as with cars you will see bikes get smaller & faster
that 600 ran a 9.97 no NOS or turbo sto set a record
that was approx 5 years ago
600's have gotten straonger & faster
1 guy was talking about the 11 & i remember i used to think them slow
we have some phenominal roads here in central to wester VA
some just a notch blow the Gap.............& with less police coverage if you know
where 2 go
i remember think that they had ALL the HP in the world until we hit he first turn
tothe rear of the field................................that could be owing to rider......or bike
& they struggled all day [the ride is 300-400 mi] to keep or they are lost
until we hit I-64 east........................
& if they werent caught..............they were simply gone
kinda 1 dimensional
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anyway hes arguing with Tim Chin now. we can basically throw EVERYTHING he says out the window at this point. if Tim follows up (and I hope he does) flite will have his ass handed to him. you just dont argue with Tim about bikes unless you like being wrong
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posted December 13, 2008 12:15 PM
you said you wanted to see a 14 on a road race track, and he showed you
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quote:you said you wanted to see a 14 on a road race track, and he showed you
not what i said at all
they raced full sized peterbilts [17000lb] on nascar tracks
they have had boss hoggs on the track
could a 14 or a 600 outrun 1 of those
maybe out corner one ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
i also stated sanctioned race events.................................convenient for you to leave that out
& no less if its on tv or on a computer its TRUE
no chance of photoCRAP !
so i NEVER said 14 arent on tracks......... or youll NEVER see a 14 on the track
NEVER SAID IT ! !! ! ! ! ! !
but you guys will post anything......................................anything
look at the Rossi / R1 footage someone posted for us all
SLOW AS HELL..............................let me tell you how
look at him in all the corners
the distance between the bottom front fairing & the top of the fender is positive
on all photos/video when racers are at speed thru the corners ..... its negative
ALMOST LOOK LIKE THE FENDER & FAIRING WILL TOUCH
so clsoe that maybe you could get your fingers between them
the lLARGE space or the positive space could only happen if he's goin so SLOW into the turn ........
then HE COULD THROTTLE ALL THE WAY OUT
something he doesnt even do on his race bike
which might pull a few G's mid corner & pull it ALL the way down on the suspension
you can see that on most forms of motorcycle racing.............a little less so with 250's
of course i dont blame him
why take the chance of chukkin the bike into the pukker bushes
& getting all beat up & bent for a commercial & cuttin a career short
still him backin it in was great
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quote: can't wait til a see a 14 on a road race track........i could live to be 150
Hey, you asked....
Shane
dude i road race
you call that fast ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
there are NO classes for that size bike in sanctioned road racing Except for endurance racing
to that point while i was endurance racing...........NEVER saw KHI
do it well in any class let alone OPEN class
it was always honda.....yamaha & suzuki
says something about speed & durabilty........................
yet if you think you are fast
yes me on a 600 & you on your 14
i will beat you to the stripe every time
i thought you could ride.................................................................
say again ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
or can you spell sanctioned event
or can you tell what AMA class a 12 or 14 would run in
yes WERA had classes for them & on some tracks they still were slower than hell
save for blind raw straight speed
[i dont think any mag would say they couldnt be out cornered
i dont think a full flegded racer would say he'd stand a better chance
unless you could get the weight down to 350 pounds or less]
& on many tracks that would make a huge difference...................some dont
have straights & the ones that do have sometimes a dozen turns that throw
it back to the small bike
a 14 road racing.......................... not
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