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posted November 25, 2008 05:47 PM
ZX-9R vs 954
Well a local guy and I have a rivalry going on and we are choosing to settle it very soon, from a low speed roll for about 8/10ths of a mile.
I'm about 120 and will be on a piped ZX-9R (98-99 model), probably going to stock gearing since +1 got me 165.8 mph on the rev limiter prematurely.
954 guy is probably 220 lbs on a piped, pc3, filter, stacks and geared (probably -1 in the front 520) & other minor insignificant things!
I feel like stock gearing would be perfect (just hitting the limiter before the traps) but for some reason I feel the need to put as much MPH on him for humiliation sake as possible and wondering if I should go with 175 mph gearing. The right thing to do would be to gear to WIN, not just out MPH someone, but I know it will feel too good to go OVER 10 mph faster than him, lol.
Anyways, what are you guys predicting? I've gone 174 with a -1 front sprocket on a CBR 1000RR out there, figure this guy with his weight, make/model will be lucky to go 165 but I should ET the living SNOT outta him. 9Rs of this gen make supposedly about mid 120ish HP but the ram air picks up they claim 10+ once speeds get well into the triple digits! Doubt the 954 picks up that much!
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KZScott
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posted November 25, 2008 07:23 PM
focus on lengths not mph. you have so much expirience drag racing a short bike you shouldnt have much trouble. do it from a standing start and really clean house
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posted November 25, 2008 07:45 PM
you're on a kawi.
instant win.
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posted November 25, 2008 07:53 PM
Ship, why are you always pickin' on us fat guys? J/K
Good luck, sounds like you got this one sewn-up!
PS: This time wear more han just a T-shirt, OK
Ride safe buddy
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posted November 25, 2008 09:35 PM
Dude gear that thing for 190mph and slip a little dry shot in!!!!!!!! Isn't that fair on the street????!!!!
Like Rich said, you sure like to pick on us fat boys!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just kidding!!!!!!!!
Stay safe though, I'd like to see you around at Maxton sometime, Plus you have to get down to Texas to reclaim your fastest ZX-12 title from Sal!!
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posted November 25, 2008 11:24 PM
he'll get it back if he sprays enough. hes got a turbo motor he can put a big nitrous shot on like VH 
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posted November 26, 2008 05:58 AM
TRN, actually I made sure to mention that no power adders were allowed (nitrous, turbo or supercharging), anything else is fair game. I've already seen the a/f of the 9R on the dyno, a small shot would be fine but I gotta win this one clean. Besides I already put in a clause that should the other rider request, gas tank, airbox and tail section will be torn down.
I'll probably be wearing my buddy's leathers...I've lost weight and my size 40 leathers are too big, he's got 38 Dianese and it fits great. I need to get mine altered really.
I think I'll go back to stock gearing and focus on LENGTHS...I'm pretty sure he won't go back to stock gearing. He said he's hoping to get me out the gate and hold me off....LOL!
TX is a long drive, when I come back I want to do things right, even if that means I get a hotel along the way and S-L-E-E-P!!!!!!!!!!!
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posted November 26, 2008 06:20 AM
you really need to bring a pit crew Ali, then you can sleep on the way there and not worry about crashing. Im not a fan of sleeping behind the wheel, buts its happened... been lucky so far :S
is the use of oxy fuels allowed in your 945 beat-down? might help, but not really easy to add a few percent to the "map" seeing how your using jets.... maybe 1 up on the mains would do it since you will be WFO the whole time? or is it rich enough as is?
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posted November 26, 2008 06:21 AM
quote:
you're on a kawi.
instant win.
this was my favourite answer 
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posted November 26, 2008 08:31 AM
with just the weight dif its a walk, add kawi topend and look out
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posted November 26, 2008 08:57 AM
I have a 954 and weigh 210 and am geared 1 down in the front. At a low speed roll (under 50mph) the 954 cannot keep the front wheel down under full throttle enough to offfer any race to the 9r with equal mods. Bought the bike new in 02 and would run 9r's every weekend at highway speed, 70mph and second gear, and the 954 would pull the 9r pretty good and I weighed about 195 at the time and the other 3 guys probably went about 150-160lbs.
The 954 does not have ram-air from the factory and makes about 140-145hp if it has over 5000 miles, mine picked up 10 hp from new to 5000 miles (from 136hp). Piped will have about 150-155hp.
Your weight should get you out pretty good, especially if from a low speed roll because the 954 is too light up front to do anything with. Your 9r is a good bit heavier, maybe 40-50 lbs?? so it evens things a little.
Gixxer 1000's used to stomp the dogsh-t outta me bad though. Ouch..it still stings. Lets hear what happens.
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posted November 26, 2008 09:28 AM
I have a 954 and weigh 210 and am geared 1 down in the front. At a low speed roll (under 50mph) the 954 cannot keep the front wheel down under full throttle enough to offfer any race to the 9r with equal mods.
----Figured as much.
Bought the bike new in 02 and would run 9r's every weekend at highway speed, 70mph and second gear, and the 954 would pull the 9r pretty good and I weighed about 195 at the time and the other 3 guys probably went about 150-160lbs.
----Interesting. On the flip side, having run heads up against a 160 lb rider on a 1000RR I walked away from him.
The 954 does not have ram-air from the factory and makes about 140-145hp if it has over 5000 miles, mine picked up 10 hp from new to 5000 miles (from 136hp). Piped will have about 150-155hp.
----Depends on the dyno.
Your weight should get you out pretty good, especially if from a low speed roll because the 954 is too light up front to do anything with.
----Thats what I'm thinking.
Your 9r is a good bit heavier, maybe 40-50 lbs??
----Yep.
so it evens things a little.
----Still gives me a total of about 50 lbs advantage over him, since I'm giving up a few ponies...maybe 10+?
Gixxer 1000's used to stomp the dogsh-t outta me bad though. Ouch..it still stings. Lets hear what happens.
----My buddy who weighs about 10 lbs over me comes by me in 3rd-4th on an 05/06 Gixxer 1000...which pretty much has me thinking I'll get in front and stay in front against the 954, even if he tries drafting.
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posted November 26, 2008 09:47 AM
I had a 2000 yellow and black 929, it was fun.................felt like riding a 600cc bike. I'd just whack the throttle, let the tank hit me in the gut (250lbs), and off it would go. Sure was a nice little screamer...........................................but you got that fat boy out of the hole no problem! Is it 2 out of 3? Couple side bets?
Ali has crew, but has not trained the old pup how to drive yet.
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posted November 26, 2008 10:03 AM
 Edited By: shiphteey on 26 Nov 2008 18:04
Yeah Blu is pretty useless at the track....except when he runs out near staging at Maxton!!!
Its 2 outta 3, I told him he could pick from a dig or from a roll...more = if we go from a roll because its a fixed marker. I even offered him the hit. Best info I could find after EXTENSIVE research on google was just shy of the 170 mph mark on stock gearing....mid 160s. I'm sure I can go right at 170 when I change the sprocket up and I have significantly more seat time doing this on the 9, let alone just doing this period! The 9 feels very similar to the 12 in a way....even on top....at least proportionately to my light ass. I feel like it would go over 170 all day if I just gave it a little more room. Its kind of a smooth cresciendo of power, it builds like the 12. I ran a 929 there, felt good but it ran outta steam and went slower than the 750 I hopped on for sure.
I'm predicting 2 buslengths! Maaan I'm gonna eat CROW if I lose! Best 2 out of 3. If I beat him hard in the 1st run I will do the ol "roll on, roll off" the whole run through pacing him on the 2nd...for the camera of course...a la pesky mosquito/fly/gnat!
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posted November 26, 2008 10:34 AM
What's your next nail biter? Harry on a moped vs. you on the 12R?
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posted November 26, 2008 05:55 PM
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What's your next nail biter? Harry on a moped vs. you on the 12R?
I thought you and Ali, N/A vs N/A in the 1/4 was the next race? No?
P.S.- My money is on Harry, I think I saw an Ace Performance sticker on the side of his moped. =)
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posted November 26, 2008 06:11 PM
I don't think Ali is willing to run me motor vs. motor anymore. He is talking his progressive dry shot vs. me on motor these days...
I'm ready to take it to the track when he is. 
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posted November 26, 2008 06:34 PM
Ali wont run Shanes big bad 14 without nitrous? I thought Ali loved to run you Shane?
I guess you got too quick for him to keep up? come on Ali prove me wrong
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posted November 27, 2008 05:39 AM
Edited By: Phantom13 on 27 Nov 2008 13:40
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I don't think Ali is willing to run me motor vs. motor anymore. He is talking his progressive dry shot vs. me on motor these days...
I'm ready to take it to the track when he is.
You know what that's called, right?
R-E-S-P-E-C-T
Good for you, Shane. I've been lurking around on your progress for quite some time now and I must say, I'm extremely impressed with how far you've come. It's been a long road but you've walked it when 99 of 100 guys would have called it quits. You've definately earned my respect, not only as a racer but as a person.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and Rachael.
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posted November 27, 2008 05:56 AM
Truth of the matter is I just need to refill my bottles, mount my front wheel on and splash some fuel in...about an hour of work. Shane has a bit more work to do....last Test & Tune is this Sunday.
Unfortunately I've been trying to race this 954 guy for god knows how long. Whereas Shane & I have a friendly rivalry (and I know he'll always be down for a run) trying to get this guy to commit and actually come out and finally run me is like pulling teeth....he claims he'll do it this Sunday and I feel like thats my only opportunity because he'll keep ducking and dodging me for another year.
If he bails I'm ready to go to the strip Sunday morning with Shane. I'll probably run a few passes on motor to get back into the rhythm of things but you can't expect me not to spray. He's going to out 60 ft me all day and this is a 9 second race. If it was the 1/2 mile, maybe even the 1/3 mile I could get him back but 1/4 things happen quickly. Plus my bodywork is getting worked on so I'm running naked...not exactly smooth and aero. I've learned from getting caught with my pants down ALWAYS BRING THE NITROUS.
We'll see how it goes...either way I'll be having a fun ass Sunday!
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posted November 27, 2008 06:25 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 27 Nov 2008 14:27
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You've definately earned my respect, not only as a racer but as a person.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and Rachael.
Thanks Mike, I appreciate that. I'm making some progress and I hope to keep it up. Best wishes from Racheal and I to you and yours.
quote:
Shane has a bit more work to do....last Test & Tune is this Sunday.
Yeah, I have a few things to get squared away. But the bike will be ready if you are. 
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posted November 27, 2008 06:31 AM
You know you'll the the FIRST person I'll be calling if this 954 dude don't run. You KNOW this maaaaaaaaaaan!
Maybe I should ask him to come down to the MIR!??! LOL he won't do it, plus I can't beat on Rachel's 9R like that....even if it was just one smooth 1.7 60 ft pass running mid 10s.
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posted November 27, 2008 08:14 AM
Update: 954 & I have a day and location, ironing out specific time to meetup.
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posted November 28, 2008 10:53 AM
are you guys going to have a chase bike and a couple of people standing along the way with video cameras?
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posted November 28, 2008 06:36 PM
I had a 2003 954 for the summer, that was one slow bike. It was fun for wheelies and such, but with an erion racing exhuast, stock gearing, stock hight, I was going 7.0's@107mph in the 8th mile. Granted, it was on 1 wheel most the way down the strip, but my old 1998 zx9r use to go 6.60's@112 with just an Akro and some straps. I was really surprised the heavier 5 years older technology, non-EFI Kawi was actually quicker/faster then the Honda.
No problem for you, it won't even be a race..
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