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posted November 14, 2008 10:10 PM
think it's possible??
i've got a project that has already cased most people i tell to consider notifying the closest friendly faces with the white straight jackets for me..
a 2000 ZX7-R under horrendous boost.
i've seen the 9-R ("basically" the same motor..) make 300+ HP all day long, and have a good feeling i can attain a solid 250hp at the wheel using a thorough build.
boost will be supplied by a 50 trim T3 with a .48 hotside, and the motor build, well, theres gonna be alot into it.. another .020" to the base gasket, porting, rods, crank work, pistons, valves.. yadda yadda.. the usual for a longevity minded race motor.
i will detune for street and strip use once the goal is met, but, just for fun....
do YOU guys think it's possible?
flame or encourage.. i'm all ears. (either way, i'm doing it.. 
oh.. just a mentioning as to why i'm doing this..
i have a shop in WV right now, working on the norm or street and dirt machines, but would like to cater to the racers as well.. i've gotten word that i'll be getting a few guys from summit point raceway in for some tuning and mods, and i have a guy wanting a turbo build on a KZ 1000, but still would like something that speaks to the masses..
this is where i feel my bike should come in.. basically, as a testament to the shop, and as a working example of what can be built. after all, every shop needs a rolling billboard to notify those around that they mean business!!
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posted November 14, 2008 11:26 PM
i thought i read somewhere Muzzys used to have a kit for the 7... maybe Doug would know
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posted November 15, 2008 06:36 AM
bah.. kit schmitt.. making stuff is far more fun!!!
i actually have an extensive list of ridiculous mods, like EFI conversion using all the ZX10-R running gear (ECU, T.B's, sensors, ect..) and have another motor i'll build up.. i may turbo the carbed motor first for no more than 8psi just to get the feel of how this motor will react and also, what piloting a turbo'd bike will be like..
i've been on 241hp N/A busas and racebike, so i think i can handle it.. lol
but ya.. i was considering some sort of bolt on stuff, but what fun is that!? i've seen enough of bolt-on inspired bike to last me a lifetime.. the carlisle bike show in carlise Pa has (every year so far for the last 4 years straight) a vendor that comes in with a turbo'd R6 and uber bodywork done.. problem is, it's had the same tires these past 4 years, and the hair is still on them!! that bike isn't ridden at all! i doub't it runs, almost.. the inside of the exhaust pipe is shiney..
i dunno.. i guess it depends on whats available. i have seen a "turbo kit" i guess you could call it, but it was a poor excuse for one. a buddy bought it off ebay for his 7-R and determined it useless after it didn't even bolt up..
i determined it useless since the kit used a TDO5-H turbo, about 4 times bigger than necessary (flow calculations put air consumption at 10Krpm at about 150CFM.. all i know is the TDO5-H is bigger than a TDO4-L and a TDO4-L flows 360CFM@15psi..lol at a .63 A/R!!)
i doubt that thing would have spoold.. ever.. lol
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posted November 15, 2008 11:32 AM
Sure, it could work. Greg (Oz Booster) went 220mph on his turbo '94 GSXR750 at Bonneville this year.
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posted November 15, 2008 12:00 PM
hmmm.. that was something i was considering as wel.. Land speed stuff.
i'd like to take the shop from the maryland/wv are to wilmington, Nc.. maxton isn't far from there.. that'd work out well!
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posted November 15, 2008 12:33 PM
just saying Doug probly helped with R&D and has expirience with making fun stuff
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posted November 16, 2008 03:09 PM
There is a guy across the pond that puts some serious boost on his GPZ 750 turbo. He is on this site every once and a while. You can find him at 200mph.org, I believe.
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posted November 16, 2008 03:45 PM
Lorcan Parnell (I think I spelled it right)
his own site: www.750turbo.com
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posted November 16, 2008 05:44 PM
Yes I think its possible. There was a guy in the shop that used to race a nitrous 7R....deep in the 8s ... forget what he was trapping but it was way higher than I ever have trapped in the 1/4. I think he said it had about double the HP...maybe more? Built up, don't remember the displacement. Great looking bikes, a little nose heavy but that would probably be a good thing if you're staying on a stock arm!
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posted November 16, 2008 06:36 PM
hmm.. ya. these bikes have a goofy center of gravity.. i was considering about a 3" stretch or so.. nothing phenomenal or overboard..
i kinda have envisioned the ultimate do-it-all bike.. well, almost.. it won't be really set up for any VIR or mid-ohio or summit point action, but will fill the other gaps in straigh-line racing..
i want a bike ultimately that will be a gorgeous piece and will perform as well. thus the turbo build and full tilt engine.. it'll be the little things and attention tro detail that'll set it off as special, i think.. i've made ALOT of carbon fiber stuff for te bike.. mostly the motor.. cf kleen air blockoffs, sprocket guard.. stuff like that.. i plan on making a special plenum for the turbo.. i was thinking a round and internally baffled log-style with cf intake runners.. nothing is set in stone.. i still have to build a flow bench and am looking to buy a dyno here soon, so i can justify theory and hours of designing and number crunching..lol
i've built my own air ride as well, and will plan on using that, too.. just for the "show" part of it.. like i said.. it'll kinda be part race bike, part show bike, but nothing to F with, basically.. i think it'll be all the better to get my name out there to promote my shop and capabilities.. i think a maxton mile record or 2 in the 750 class and a few 1/4 mile runs and a few show trophies will speak volumes.. right?
right now, i'm a nobody.. i'm hoping in a few years, i can be on my way to being recognizable.. i think this particular bike will be that promotional deal i need.
i thank all of you for the responses!! good to see i have a few believers!! lol
shiphteey.. thats absolutely amazing doing that kind of output on that motor.. granted it was at the very least bored and cammed to hell, if not wearing a strokre kit and other goodies as well.. i'm not sure i'd trust the case for anything far past 400-450 tho.. i'm no metallugist or master fabricator.. i've done machining and fabrication for a long time and know my way around creep and modulus numbers, and can theorize a safe number.. thus the reason i don't want to far exceed 250hp at the crank.. i've seen a 9-R make (i think.. been a while ) 390 or something like that to the wheel and the 7 and 9 share rough case geometry.. i'll do bearings and crankwork. .the whole 9.. i want it safe for more, but all i want is 250.. i don't really NEED more since it'll see street use too. i ABSOLUTELY refuse to build a trailer queen, and like the bike too much to retire it to strictly race use..
if i do happen to get say 280 or 310 out of it.. great!! yay and more to brag about.. but, i'm a realist.. i have another back-burner plan of a turbo'd 14-powered dragbike in the future when finances permit.
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posted November 17, 2008 08:47 AM
Perty cool, i'd bet if you shot for 20# of boost you could hit around your target. Some pics of the bike would be great and a little step by step build diary would be great.
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posted November 17, 2008 09:17 AM
did you say you are going to open a shop in Wilmington nc? that would be nice.
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posted November 17, 2008 07:10 PM
yes and yes.
like i said, i'm going to just basically go apeshit with this motor. everything will be scrutinized and modded or replaced, so i have no doubt i can run 30psi with no problem. theoretically (all computer calculated guesstimates, mind you! lol.. not real world) if i have (i think) 22psi and 100% I.C. efficiency, i could see 270+ ah the crank. i dunno.. i can't quite recall what it was, i just remember that the pressure was below 30psi and it was near 300hp. also theoretically, 15psi doubles your displaement, and technically should double the horsepower, so 15 psi should (in theory.. man i hate theoretical crap!! lol) take my N/A 123hp to 246hp. 3 more psi would put be right at or just above the target power.
time will tell tho.. still need to get the finances right and source my T3. i know where to get it at least..
and Brickman.. yes sir i'll be (i hope to God) down there in a month or 2.. honestly, i've ben trying desperately to get down there for a "while" now, but things keep coming apart for me every time i go to move.. national speed has moved in and practically duplicated idea fir idea EXACTLY what i wanted in an automotive shop.. i think they literally tapped my phone or something.. AWD dyno and a floor you could eat off of, a badass lounge.. all that was in discussion between myself and my buddy down there (we would specialize in exotics, german and certain japanese muscle cars) and the bike shop hile attached, would be a sort of separate business.
so, it looks now like i'll possibly be bringing a store down as well.. parts/accessories and apparel.. i've got one here and now attached to the shop and its a match made in heaven.. if you think i'd do well, then please, by all means, let me know.. my livelihood kinda depends on if a shop will make it there.. i think it work do well, but from the sounds of it, you're there in that area.. what do you think?
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posted November 17, 2008 08:49 PM
will you be running an intercooler or water meth injection, or both?
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posted November 17, 2008 09:48 PM
i haven't honestly decided yet. i will probably make an intercooler.. if, by the grace of God my shop moves south and takes off like a rocket, i'll buy a PWR air to water if the build gets real serious and the bike gets retired from the streets.
meth is more weight, and if i planned on running uber boost all day long, would certainly do it, but meth is primarily a anti-knock measure to combat fuel and boost and ignition.. once i hit 250, i'd really like to detune just so theres no chance of blowing anything up. then again, who knows. i might get greedy later on down the road and go for 325hp!!! then it'll NEED meth an a kickass I.C. !!!
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posted November 18, 2008 07:20 PM
And in no way do you want to shoehorn the 94-97 motor into your 7R to make things a touch easier since its up on cubes? We've had one come into the shop with a 1 or 2 mill overbore...was pretty strong and pretty too....another guy at the shop has a 2 mill over (950) that he's looking to put back together to run heads up against modern 1000s....no easy task but he may turn to the bottle (don't we all....)
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posted November 18, 2008 10:02 PM
thats AFTER the turbo 7.. i've already thought that one through!! lol.. i may do something new and different every year or 2.. run the turbo 750 motor for a while.. then, build up the tension for something new and different, then swap a 9 motor in ansd boost IT.. lol.. then, figure out maybe next time how to squeeze a 10-R motor in it..
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posted November 18, 2008 10:34 PM
9,10, why stop there?, get a 14 motor off of ebay or from a salvage bike. maybe add some braces to the frame just incase. then 600hp could be possible.....I remember seeing a 7 or 9 with a turbo 12 motor in it, so its possible
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00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
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posted November 19, 2008 05:07 AM
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.....I remember seeing a 7 or 9 with a turbo 12 motor in it, so its possible
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posted November 19, 2008 06:21 AM
Gadson used to Race a Turbo ZX-7 in Formula Superbike. He is in the right lane in this video, of coarse, brock is in the left. Looks like the lock up tune is off on the Kawi. Notice how jerky it is.......
http://www.brockracing.com/media/BrockRock750.wmv
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posted November 19, 2008 03:36 PM
The first Shoootout biuke we built for RG was a Turbo ZX-7. It was carbureted and therefore somewhat problematic, but in the end it ran quite well. The base engine was plenty strong (stock rods) but I think we did put a leftover (Raptor) billet stroker in it at one point. There is no reason it won't work , but why not start with a bike that came with F.I. and save a LOT of work.
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posted November 19, 2008 07:09 PM
Hmm.. a 14-powered 7-R..
damn!! haha..
ya.. i don't know.. i figured doing an injection conversion to a non efi motor would certainly speak volumes.. lol just good propaganda..
ya. that one turbo 9.. hes got ALOT of work in it.. under the fairing looks like a cockpit.. he's running prety mild boost.. i've picked his brain a few times on it.. 
i dunno.. i'm sure the plans will eventually change and morph into something absurd, but for the time being, i'll probably make a prototype manifold set and boost the carbed notor to no mroe than 7 or 8 psi.. probably atually 6 or 7, just to be safe.. the CVK's can handle 22psi from what i hear, but hopefully i won't be running carbs at that time. in the mean time, whilst enjoying (or not..lol) the learning curve of a turbo'd bike, i'll build the big balls motor and start planning the futre after this motor is built.
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posted November 20, 2008 07:55 AM
Not sure on the 7s, but all the built motors I have seen for the 9s....., when you get real aggressive.........., the basket goes...........
I seen a guy go through 3 in a month.
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posted November 20, 2008 09:25 PM
Hmmm... i will have to look around on that one.. i was thinking of making a lockup, but i guess that won't help with basket fatigue...
got some number and picture crunching to do now.. thats something i didn't know.
thanks
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posted November 20, 2008 10:42 PM
you cant get a billet basket?
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00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
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