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posted November 14, 2008 06:46 PM
logging ex temp ?
I briefly mentioned this in my winter rebuild thread, but I think this deserves its own
I did a search but couldnt find anything, but I know that a few of you have expirience with logging ex temp. I have a couple questions for starters since I have only limited knowledge of the subject.
1. What do you use/what is most user friendly for a beginner? I believe I want a probe on each header tube very close to the head?
2. What is considered a safe temperature? Im assuming a turbo setup and a nitrous setup would be similar. I want to use lots of nitrous 
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 14, 2008 07:46 PM
thermocouples about 3" or so from the port. GENERALLY speaking 1300 is cold, 1500 is fine, 1600 is too hot, 1700 you're toast
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posted November 14, 2008 08:09 PM
thanks Doug, im off to google thermocouples 
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 15, 2008 04:06 AM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 15 Nov 2008 12:07
I have an Innovate TC-4. It comes with 4 thermocouples and bungs, for around $450. I believe it is compatible with the LM-1 as well.
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posted November 15, 2008 04:26 AM
Before My Innovate Data Logger I had a Simple System with 1Thermo Coupler and a Reader I got from a place in New Jersey for about $135. I still use only 1 Thermocoupler in #4 Cylinder What Doug said in a little on the Warm SIde but for NOS 1350 is what you are looking for. 1400 is about Max for NOS. when I ate my engine the temp was about 1800 degrees. Looked like a Plazma cutter was used!
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posted November 15, 2008 11:15 AM
you are making me drool Shane lol. a little pricey for me, at least for this year, but maybe....
VH how would you know if one cylinder wasnt working right if you only logged #4?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 15, 2008 06:26 PM
looks like I need to snag some $$ from my kids college fund...
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KZScott
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posted November 15, 2008 08:46 PM
Shane, Im having trouble finding that on the innovate site. I found the TC-4 but its listing for $130, but I dont think thats including the thermocouples. have a link?
thx
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 15, 2008 09:12 PM
Edited By: rgeorge on 16 Nov 2008 05:13
I bought my TCs for less than $30 each from aircraftspruce.
They are clamp-on so no welding is required.
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posted November 15, 2008 09:30 PM
so you are saying I can put together something to monitor all 4 for about $250? thats not bad if it can plug into my LM-1
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 15, 2008 09:33 PM
Shane,
i looks like you won't be able to insert/remove the card in the DL-32 if you mount yr boxes like that???
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posted November 15, 2008 09:36 PM
Make sure it will work with your LM-1. I have one datalogging system for EGTs and another for everything else. It is a real pain in the ass to put the data together to see whats happening.
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KZScott
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posted November 15, 2008 09:38 PM
Ill see what Innovate says
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 15, 2008 09:39 PM
Before you start logging EGTs:
Send out your fuel injectors for cleaning and flow test
Balance the throttle bodies.
Flow test the fuel jets in your wet nitrous system.
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posted November 15, 2008 09:44 PM
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i looks like you won't be able to insert/remove the card in the DL-32 if you mount yr boxes like that???
Most TCs only have 4' leads. TC extensions can cause problems so I'd recommend mounting the box in the nose.
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KZScott
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posted November 15, 2008 09:53 PM
so I need a vacuum gauge to balance them? will that be hard with a Muzzy system? we all know how they like to idle...
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 16, 2008 07:11 PM
you can balence at any throttle. just turn the idle up a bit till it smoothes out. i have old skool hg sticks.i may do mine this winter.
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posted November 17, 2008 03:51 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 17 Nov 2008 12:00
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i looks like you won't be able to insert/remove the card in the DL-32 if you mount yr boxes like that???
They aren't actually mounted yet, Karl. But there is adequate space if I move or rotate them around. 
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posted November 17, 2008 03:55 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 17 Nov 2008 11:57
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Shane, Im having trouble finding that on the innovate site. I found the TC-4 but its listing for $130, but I dont think thats including the thermocouples. have a link?
thx
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/xcart/product.php?productid=16233&cat=0&page=1
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posted November 17, 2008 04:12 AM
Thx
I think Ill go with the clamp on thermocouples Rob uses though. much easier and a lot less $$. save $200 (not to mention having someone weld it, I can only braze with stainless) .by putting "mismatched" stuff together. thats more my style lol. My nitrous setup has 3 different brands of stuff, soon to be 4 when I upgrade the fuel pump
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 17, 2008 04:32 AM
Edited By: KZScott on 17 Nov 2008 13:02
Ok, this is going to be more expensive than I thought. Im pretty sure I need the DL-32 to make it all work, or find a way to run a laptop on my bike to record real time. I dont really see that as being an option for bikes. for cars sure, but I think the tech guys might ask a few questions if they saw me going with a back pack on...
any suggestions?
actually now that I think about it, old cheap laptops arent that big...as long as it will run log works and fit in the tail Im good to go right? I allready planned on taking the nitrous bottle out of the tail, I can move all the electronics to the "+6" part... I might have room....I need a better laptop anyway since only half the screen shows up on mine and the battery wont run it...
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 17, 2008 05:17 AM
Here is a link to the TC-4 manual:
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/support/manual/TC4_manual.pdf
It has some diagrams, and it looks like it can be connected to the LM-1. Give it a read and see what you think.
Shane
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posted November 17, 2008 05:34 AM
It works with the LM-1, but the LM-1 cant record what the TC-4 is showing since it connects to the "out" serial port of the LM-1. to log everything another logger or computer must be connected to the "out" serial port of the TC-4 at the end of the "daisy chain"/ log chain
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 17, 2008 05:50 AM
Edited By: KZScott on 17 Nov 2008 13:53
Ok, If I have to buy a DL-32 to record the output from the TC-4, I could get an LC-1 and sell my current setup....I wouldnt need the LM-1 or LMA-2 with the DL-32 as long as I connect a wideband O2 to the DL-32 right? It will do RPM, and Im assuming TPS since it does 0-5v signals....
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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posted November 17, 2008 06:18 AM
The reason I only Logged #4 was I needed to know the EGT Period to set up my NOS and 1 cyl was better than No cylinder. Unless there is a problem they should read about the same. People use A/F to tune but read all 4 or 2 cylinders at a collector! How do you know what each is doing?
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