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posted October 13, 2008 03:23 PM
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if everyone could have the perfect tune at the track... there'd be no need for "test & tune"
Whats a Nox consult fee cost these days?
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posted October 13, 2008 03:42 PM
Nox, good thing Fish isnt like Frank from Psychobike 
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posted October 13, 2008 04:40 PM
Yeah, Frank knows what I do. If anyone contacts me there, I tell them to contact me through email, I do no business on his site. So far he says he is cool with it.......
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posted October 14, 2008 12:19 AM
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I support NOX's efforts 110%, and if i were doing 1/4mi these days, i would hire him in a sec.
Tuning a lockup is NOT easy, and NOT effectively done by calling MTC or asking yr Bud for his set up.
NOX has systematically taught himself how to tune the lockup by trying a g-zillion set ups and keeping careful notes. His left & right hands seem to be connected well enough to his brain where he actually knows what they are doing wrt lock-up sets.
Combining hand knowledge and set up variations is something I cannot predictably do even with a data logger to help.
When I go back to the 1/4 mile, 1st person i will call is NOX, yep.
as like entropy wrote !!
for me --- NOX ----- is Doctor Clutch !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! my mine !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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NOX
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posted October 14, 2008 05:21 AM
woppi's set up has been very challenging. With him basically running on no track prep at all, and his short wb, it has been very hard to make sure things go right. But, if I remember correctly, he is running 8s now, and was not before.
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posted October 14, 2008 06:21 AM
My laptop port is jacked up. I will upload some video from my wife's later today maybe. I have finally found out how to run consistent low 5.8s, with the tire hooked, as opposed to a minor amount of controlled wheel spin, as in this video.........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfGH_IyvkQ8
My 60 ft times are better in this vid, but, 330 loses. I have always said, 60 foot means nothing, if you can't back up the punch with a good 330 to go with it. This pass was a 1.38, and 3.79., forgot the 1/8 mile, log book is in my MH, and the 1000 ft, more like 995 ft, was 1.48. I will post the 7.44 pass later.
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posted October 14, 2008 11:31 AM
Your right some people forget how improtant the 330 ft time is.
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posted October 14, 2008 09:13 PM
 Edited By: NOX on 15 Oct 2008 05:16
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRvKt1b7A_s
This was last weekend. Shinko U soft.
1.42
3.78
5.80 at 122mph
7.44 ( hair short 1000 ft track,), would have been a high 7.4 on a NHRA track. Other timers are correct , we have measured them several times.)
Notice the difference in the rear tire. This pass, it never breaks loose, and the motor stays way up in the rpm. I put one more pound of air in the tire the next pass, and went 1.40, and 3.76, but only 5.82 at 114 mph, and a 7.53 at like 134 . It was on a solid pass, top end of the track with VERY little VHT would not hold it. This track used to be way better. They are getting stingy with the VHT.
Oh, and don't give me no smack on the light. The bike was set up for Pro Tree from an index race the night before, I did not adjust things back for the sportsman tree.
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posted October 15, 2008 06:12 AM
Also, we are still getting the minor bugs worked out of the shock. I just got this shock a couple weeks ago, and from what it looks like, I am bottoming it out......, we did not want it too stiff to begin with. good thing is, season is about over, we won a points championship earlier in the year, after a year lay off, and next season, this thing should be where I don't have to do anything except oil the chain, change oil, and tires, and put fuel in.
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posted October 17, 2008 05:56 AM
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Your right some people forget how improtant the 330 ft time is.
Which is where a lock up will kill your et if you don't have it right.........., and power will not overcome it.........
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posted October 17, 2008 06:04 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 17 Oct 2008 14:05
Nox, I'm curious as to why you use a lock-up on a stock motor bike sitting at 68"? It seems like your average times are in line with what can be done consistently with a hand clutch at that w/b.
Not knocking you; obviously you have a good setup. Just curious as to why one would go through all of that hassle on that chassis/motor combination.
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NOX
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posted October 17, 2008 06:16 AM
Cause it will do it EVERY TIME. Period, and hook in a carwash. Watch the video.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRvKt1b7A_s
On a loose track, anywhere, I can hold it, when other guys are fighting for traction. A lock up is not only for extreme hp, it is to make the clutch slip, the same, every pass.........., and get hundreds of passes from a clutch pack, or in my case, 900 mid to low 9 second passes, or the equivalent on the 1/8.
Same reason sliders are illegal in low hp classes, and multi stage clutches are not legal in SS classes............, it is an advantage...........
Yes, a guy with a good clutch hand can do the same........, but how many times can he do it........., and at what point does the clutch fall away, when its the semi finals of a 1000 to win race?
Plus there are several other advantages to running one, which I will not go into here.......
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posted October 17, 2008 06:23 AM
Look at how consistent Paul Stuart got, and missed his points championship by like 1 point after I sold him my lock up and helped him tune it.
Paul will tell you, it lets you concentrate on other things.........., and other guys know, you are not going to do something stupid, and they are either gonna have to cut your head off at the tree, or they are done...........
It does not make the bike unbeatable, but in classes where its allowed, if you don't have one, and have it set up right, you are at a disadvantage.............
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posted October 17, 2008 06:23 AM
Don't you have to adjust it all of the time, depending on which track you are at?
I guess you keep a log of which track and conditions like which setup?
Anyway, looks good. I'm sure that once it is set it is a lot easier and more consistent.
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posted October 17, 2008 06:54 AM
I run basically the same deal as NOX just not as much chassis and motor....(9.40`s to .50`s) depending on weather.....60` times are all the same,1.45`s...And I really don`t even need a burn out....I ride mine on the street alot more than I race it,and the lockup works for me on the street too....I get tractoin while the others are spinning all over the place,LOL....Afrien thought my clutch was broke when he rode it because the lever was soo light to pull in....It`s a blast once it`s setup(NOX).......JMO...
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posted October 17, 2008 12:42 PM
what if there is no improvement with the Nox setup and/or the clutches dont last longer, do you get e refund?
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NOX
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posted October 17, 2008 02:13 PM
I have offered it, but no one has complained yet. Only time it has not worked, is when someone did something I told them not to do..........
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posted October 17, 2008 02:20 PM
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Don't you have to adjust it all of the time, depending on which track you are at?
I guess you keep a log of which track and conditions like which setup?
Anyway, looks good. I'm sure that once it is set it is a lot easier and more consistent.
Shane
NO. Once its set up, you just need to check the tolerance on the arms every few events.
Yes, when getting the thing fine tuned, you have to change things......., but that is to get the most out of it.
We have been chasing my shock, which I just got, but if you watch that video.., you hear the RPMS drop just a hair. That is a VERY fine adjustment, that I need to do, and will do on my next outing. Will take 5 minutes. But will probably gain me .02 in 330.
If you go to a track, and it won't hold how you have been launching....., what do you do?
Watch our bikes hook like mad, and point to the marks on the rim, vs the tire, and say..........., hmm, I turned the rim in the tire........, worked fine for me............
Happens all the time...........
Paul goes 1.45 all freakin day. His bike is not set nearly as much on kill as mine is, and he has a single stage. He does pop the lever......, as I do, but, a multi will always be faster than a single, if both are tuned up as much as they can be..........,
I have done high 1.3s with a single stage, on a street tire, but it was kinda hard to ride. I tossed the lever at 64" with a single stage as well..........
Only time I take my cover off is to test. If it does not work, I go back to the money set up. If I find something new, I use it.........., and if it relates to any of my customers, I call them.
Paul can vouch for that. I gave him some new info the other day , that I am really wanting him to try out soon. Should drop his short times by .02 or more.
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posted October 17, 2008 02:30 PM
I still want to tune on Karls bike so bad. TFA will fly.
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posted October 23, 2008 06:35 AM
Paul, have you been to the track with those new tricks I sent you? I keep wondering what the limit on your set up is gonna be.......
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posted October 23, 2008 06:55 AM
NOX, I took off 1 gram and it slipped....So I`m putting the gram back on and took off some static to try and get it to slip a little more before the arms kick in.....I tried 5.0, slipped,on two A`s.....I`m at 5.8 on two A`s.....Might have to try the uncut arms with a different comb. of weight if this dosen`t work right off the line....Some people would be totally satisfied with the way this bike is leaving off the line,but it has just a slight hic up just for about 20 to 30 feet....
NOX has got me about as perfect as it can be....Without actually being at the track,amazing he can do that...I could probably send you an audio of my bike leaving and you cold here were it`s lazy .....
Thanks,
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posted October 23, 2008 07:17 AM
Sent you a PM.
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posted October 30, 2008 05:37 AM
Mike is coming out here in a couple of weeks......, with his zx14, and MTC Gen II , I can't wait. We have gotten it calmed down from what he was doing over the phone, and he is coming out to try to get the last bugs out of it. These things are so cool. But, they will not make one for the zx12. Another drawback of Kawasaki design. Can't be done safely ........, because of the puller rod.
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posted November 09, 2008 07:07 PM
is the loclup i got from u is it single or multi? someone asked and i did not have a answere. nox when money gets better at work i'll pm u.
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posted November 09, 2008 07:41 PM
Pauls spare was a Muzzy single stage. the multis have holdback springs on the arms
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