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posted September 09, 2008 12:33 PM
MTC lock up shims
I have 2 packets of shims(.025, .050) for the MTC lock up.Do these have any effect on the launch or are they just to get the right stack height? I'm going to start off running only 4 springs.
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posted September 09, 2008 12:53 PM
found it
http://www.mtceng.com/index.php?option=com_easyfaq&task=view&id=47&Itemid=68
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posted September 09, 2008 03:42 PM
 Edited By: Nox on 9 Sep 2008 16:42
They affect several things, stack height being none of them........
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posted September 09, 2008 04:07 PM
I can adjust my 60` times by just replacing my shims, .025 at a time,on the #of springs in my zx12 lockup.....Are those the ones your talking about,the ones that go on the springs????
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posted September 09, 2008 05:01 PM
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I can adjust my 60` times by just replacing my shims, .025 at a time,on the #of springs in my zx12 lockup.....Are those the ones your talking about,the ones that go on the springs????
Yes I've heard of you guys talking about static pressure.How do you measure the springs pressure?
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posted September 09, 2008 05:35 PM
what kind of 60's were you pulling before you put the lock up in?
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posted September 09, 2008 06:00 PM
I was too chicken shit to whack the throttle, so a mere 1.76
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posted September 09, 2008 07:00 PM
theres a special tool for it, or ask Nox
shims increase the static spring pressure(like when you crank down on the spring in the rear shock to stiffen up the suspension)
What springs do you have? stock, mtc, muzzy,?
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posted September 09, 2008 07:15 PM
I have a set of stock and also SBC springs.Who sells this tool?
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posted September 10, 2008 05:16 AM
You can make it........., for about 3 bucks.
You just need a valve spring tester after that, one of the ones that goes in a vice.........
I have the measurements on most of the springs that are used in a zx12 application, as well as some 1000s, and 14s.
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posted September 10, 2008 05:49 AM
Edited By: shane661 on 10 Sep 2008 07:08
Is this the sort of spring tester you are talking about? I didn't know if they would be accurate enough to test clutch springs...
I've been putting off getting a spring tester because the nice ones I see are at least a couple hundred dollars. If something like this works well enough, I'll go ahead and order one...
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posted September 10, 2008 06:06 AM
YES. I use one almost just like it, but I do it in a press......, just make sure you take your time, but you have to have the tool to know the installed hieght.
Send me a pm, and I will tell you how to make one.........
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posted September 10, 2008 06:08 AM
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I was too chicken shit to whack the throttle, so a mere 1.76
When the clutch is tuned up right, you don't have to worry about it.......
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posted September 10, 2008 07:59 AM
Well that is what got me thinking as to getting a lock up.MTC should be at Atco this weekend and between picking their brains and other racers,I hope to get some more knowledge.Hopefully the weather will hold out. Orient Express is having a seminar at their site on MSD sb-6 ignition module.
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posted September 10, 2008 11:13 AM
Yeah, MTC will only tell you which direction to go...... that is all they know.
They do not know how far to go. Good luck getting a great tune up from someone else........
ZX12s are rare. We are the few and proud.......lol
While you are picking thier brains, you could have it already right...........
MTC never helped me with anything. They make GREAT products, but as far as knowing what works in certain applications, they do not know........, becasuse no one tells them once they find it...........
I quit calling them years ago, unless I need parts...........
There are proven set ups working..........., but MTC sends you in a way different direction, and we have all proven that it does not work.
Best of luck to you though.
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posted September 10, 2008 11:57 AM
Just to tease me Nox, what kind of a 60 ft. do you think you could get my 285lbs suited 64"wb bike down to?
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posted September 10, 2008 01:20 PM
probly 1.5s??
MTC had no idea of what i should try with my bike. Nox came pretty close first try, just playing with stock parts. and we are working on the tune up now that i have extra tuning stuff from MTC, i just need to get to the track!! it keeps getting rained out grrrrr
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posted September 10, 2008 02:11 PM
1.5s. I did 1.4s at 64inches, with no pc, and a single stage clutch, stock shock kicked my butt..........Your body weight may be a good thing.
Try to think outside the box. Thats my best advice without giving away secrets.
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posted September 10, 2008 05:33 PM
Thanks Nox,now I'm ready for another bout of obsessive/compulsiveness on the clutch.I need to challenge myself every now and then.I must say you're good! I was trying to bait you to see what might leak out.Tighter then ..... well that's the smackhouse. 
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posted September 10, 2008 09:43 PM
He he.
Thats why when I get guys clutches lined out, I tell them to cover it with a towel so no one will see it , or shut the trailer doors............
I write on mine, so it lookes like I have a different tune up than what is in it.........lol
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posted September 11, 2008 12:42 PM
Well,judging by your comment just looking at the clutch,you can see how many springs I had and weights on the arms.You cannot see which springs I used. I don't know if anyone has tried using more then one set of steels back to back to lessen friction surface which would allow more slip.
How has everyone cut back the fairing to give the clutch housing more room?A hot knife used by the model car builders?
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posted September 11, 2008 01:16 PM
i used a jig saw. not the prettiest job, but you can file it after to clean it up
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00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
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posted September 11, 2008 02:22 PM
Dremel, or a cutting wheel on a drill. Sand it after, works good. I did it on stock plastics. Worked fine, looks fine.
Don't stack steels. That is the wrong fix to an easy fix.
Also, you have seen my rants. This is the last free advice. Use a STOCK set up, all of it. ALL of it. No left over parts.
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posted September 11, 2008 03:45 PM
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Dremel, or a cutting wheel on a drill. Sand it after, works good. I did it on stock plastics. Worked fine, looks fine.
Don't stack steels. That is the wrong fix to an easy fix.
Also, you have seen my rants. This is the last free advice. Use a STOCK set up, all of it. ALL of it. No left over parts.
Thank you,at least that is one road I don't have to go!  
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posted September 11, 2008 04:18 PM
Just put MY ani-chatter rings back in.....No prob.s really smoooooth.....
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