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posted July 03, 2008 06:56 PM
setting up the LM-1
ok, got the basics done, now i need to set up the LMA-2. 
Karl, i know you did this before, how did you get the tach signal? the light blue wire my bonny box it hooked up to? what about the throttle position? do i need any type of converter boxes for either?
this thing is really cool, first time i have ever seen one in operation. my bike needs mapped badly! i thought it was running ok with just the map for the pipe, but its waaay off. with the bike parked, and at an idle its about 14:1 AFR, up around 2500 to 3000 its pretty close at 12.6:1 and around 4000 its showing 11.6:1, any higher and it starts leaning out pretty quickly. by the time you get around 7000 its showing 14:1 again and doesnt richen up any higher up in the rpm range. i guess the piston kit, porting and cam setup are doing their thing, i need to add a bunch of fuel up top, and more fuel = more hp 
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
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posted July 03, 2008 06:57 PM
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posted July 03, 2008 07:18 PM
with no dyno close, and with the results a friend of mine got at the closest one, its pretty much something i have to have so i dont blow it up! just think what would have happened if i put a small dry shot on that 14:1.... ouch! (a friends turbo 10r with 6psi melted on the closest dyno)
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted July 03, 2008 10:24 PM
 Edited By: entropy on 3 Jul 2008 23:29
i take the rpm signal off one of the individual injector wires outa the ECU.
ECU pin #4, blue/red; injector #1
TPS signal outa one of the ECU wires, also.
ECU pin #42 - Y-W wire
gnd into LMA2
ECU pin #60 - br/blk wire
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posted July 04, 2008 01:15 AM
is that a splice(cut and solder) connection or the inductive clamp?
I allways ground straight to the battery. as frame grounds can cause trouble, i take it the ecu ground is even more stable?
thx!
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted July 04, 2008 05:43 AM
solder connection
i dunno if the ECU ground is more stable, but it is the gnd for many of the sensors
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posted July 04, 2008 12:44 PM
thx Karl!
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted July 04, 2008 01:24 PM
I'm thnking of going with a DL32/LC1 combo for my 08 that's about to get a Stage 1 velocity Turbo. I really don't have any tuners around here. Velocity says the map that comes with the kit is plenty good enough and there's no worry. I hope they are right. My luck goes like this if I spend the 650.00 for theDL32/LC1 combo the map I get will be right on and if I don't I will melt pistons in my driveway!
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posted July 04, 2008 05:42 PM
maybe just a cheap setup to make sure its not lean anywhere in the mapping? if it is, then get the better data logger and sell the basic unit. if its fine, run it
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted July 05, 2008 09:14 AM
ok, i cant find my PC cable... damn... have to get a new one, but i played with the buttons a bit. set it all the way rich on the low and high, and got the mapping closer. its a bit lean at idle, still rich around 3000, ok higher up, lean around 7000, then its showing high 12s and low 13s above that. much better than over 14!. still a LONG way to go, but hey this is fun
question, do the button changes affect the numbers in the map when i pull it out?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted July 05, 2008 09:13 PM
got a new cable and richened up the map so it will idle around 12.5:1 AFR, just messing around with stuff to try and get used to it. button changes not stored into map.
having a problem with rpm in the log works software. if i set it to "rpm" it shows the correct rpm, but wont read over 10000. if i set it to "rpm x 2", it reads to 18000 but the numbers it shows are doubled... is that something i have to live with, or can i get it to show the correct rpm and register to 18000?
also, how do i get it to show tps in percent? some sort of table or convert volts to percent?
thx!
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted July 06, 2008 07:43 PM
It's not something you have to live with.
Set RPM X 2 then calibrate RPMs. I think that's right.
How are you settting your RPMs?
On the TPS go into logworks ->channels->configure channel- >Throttle
set the measurement to % , -21% = 0.0 volts, 140% = 5.0volts These are my numbers yours should be close.
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posted July 07, 2008 07:32 PM
i was playing around with the tps input, i used the normal voltage range to get a rough idea of what 0 and 100 is (found in the fault code section of the manual) and got it to be pretty much on, but when the bike is off the numbers change by 3-4 % (probly cause the battery shows 11.5v when bike is off, and 13.5v when running) i think my numbers were around -30 and 120, not sure at the moment, that computer is out with the bike. ill check it out and try yours to see what happens.
i followed the instructions in the book to set rpm, i wasnt sure if i got it right, but the numbers matched the power commander software running at the same time. ill try rpm x 2 and try to set it again.
thx 
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted July 08, 2008 06:54 PM
-34 and 126 were my numbers, i havent had a chance to try yours as i havent called about the silicone in the exhaust..... cleaned up /rewired all my electronics now that i know they all work. putting the LM1 up on the right ram air cover. probly use velcro
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted July 11, 2008 07:16 PM
ok, i put in new exhaust gaskets with no silicone, and played around a bit. your numbers were way off for my bike. gave me 19% at 0, and 117% at 100. so i put -34 and 126 back in.
I couldnt calibrate the rpm with the computer(possibly a sound card issue) so to get the rpm to be corect in the "rpm x 2" setting, i used the manual calibration and held the bike at 4000 rpm instead of 2000 rpm. i recorded some revving up and down, and got rid of a bunch of lean spots down low (now i have a bunch of ok spots and rich spots lol), but since i couldnt load the engine i couldnt do anything in the mid to upper range of the map. ill take the bike out for a run on my "closed course" tomorrow, and record some WFO blasts . im shooting for 12.6 AFR across the board
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted July 11, 2008 07:18 PM
oh, what smoothing factor do i use? i made a wild ass guess and used something like .57s
thx
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted July 11, 2008 09:39 PM
I don't remember where the smoothing is set. Karl would be your best bet on that.
If you have the LM-1 RPM to match the PC then you are set.
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posted July 11, 2008 11:20 PM
-35____0
125____5
is what worked on my LM-1, pretty damn close to Scott's.
The DL32 sets up much more automatically so i dunno what it is now.
i smooth until "it looks right", never noted the %
my rpm was spiky when i used coil feed from ecu, went much smoother when i went to injector feed.
BUT, with the injector feed it will go to zero sometimes upon decel as the injectors get shut off
the prob getting good tuning on the street at high throttle numbers (too much speed) is why my advice to folks is to use the logging in conjunction with a dyno, OR go to the track.
keep at it KZ you are rocking!
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posted July 12, 2008 04:32 AM
yup, it matches the PC rpm
maybe the Cheese man will help out with smoothing?
i wonder if a bunch of 1s in the zero throttle section of the map would get rid of the injector feed going to zero??
living in the middle of nowhere sometimes has its advantages(allthough lack of a good dyno is NOT one of them), a bunch of guys have hopped up quad bikes that they test on the road all the time lol. theres a stroker banshee that will do 93mph , not fast on our standards, but probly double the speed of a stocker
thx guys, ill keep you updated
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted July 13, 2008 06:45 PM
ok, i finally had some free time, so i had a bit of fun tuning tonight. i recorded a 3rd gear burnout, and then attacked the lean spots. i also made from 10500 to 12000 rpm in the 80 and 100% TPS 5% richer just because i knew it would be a bit lean from the new motor combo up top. then i went for a drive and recorded that. played around with mapping, going at all the lean spots. going for another run tomm to see how it affected AFR. i richened the map ranging from 5 to 10% depending on how bad it was at that point. hopefully i wont have any more 13s on the next log. once i get rid of all the lean spots im planning on going after the rich spots, then fine tune at the track this wknd
my main problem right now is my gearing. its 17 50 (for the 1/4) so holding it 100%tps and not smashing the limiter is tricky(my air tank got gouged out pretty good in the accident and i need to pick up another one so im foot shifting). im going to put my 18 back on the front for now, but i dont have enough adjustment in the chain to go to my next smaller rear sprocket(46) without taking some links out of my chain. and im out of the rivet style master links for my EK ZZZ chain. kinda wish i still had that 48t i sold awhile back lol. ill try thje 18 50 combo tomm and hopefully it will load the engine more so i can stay WFO for longer durations between shifts...
ill get some pics of my logs tomm
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted July 13, 2008 07:28 PM
Great Stuff, I've been wanting to add some data-logging too.
Trying to decide to get LM-1 or the LM-2, or just the wegoIII
Can any one help me compare the 3, pros & cons of each one?
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posted July 13, 2008 09:14 PM
Edited By: rgeorge on 13 Jul 2008 22:28
I had a lot of fun setting up my fuel maps with real world tuning, the same way you are doing it.
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my main problem right now is my gearing. its 17 50 (for the 1/4) so holding it 100%tps and not smashing the limiter is tricky(my air tank got gouged out pretty good in the accident and i need to pick up another one so im foot shifting). im going to put my 18 back on the front for now, but i dont have enough adjustment in the chain to go to my next smaller rear sprocket(46) without taking some links out of my chain. and im out of the rivet style master links for my EK ZZZ chain. kinda wish i still had that 48t i sold awhile back lol. ill try thje 18 50 combo tomm and hopefully it will load the engine more so i can stay WFO for longer durations between shifts...
I've had similar problems when RPMs are changing quickly. Unless the sample rate is really high, its hard to tell whats happening. One trick that I came up with is to ride the rear brake while doing the pull. You'll get alot more data points and if you want, you can even hold the engine at a target RPM.
Just give the brake plenty of time to cool between pulls.
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posted July 14, 2008 04:14 PM
sample rate i believe is 10 per second. right now with the LM-1 with RPM kit (LMA2 aux box) i have 3 more channels im not using yet. i plan on logging injector duty cycle, oil pressure, and possibly rear wheel speed (for mph) after i get more comfortable with the system.
using the rear brakes is a great idea. too simple really. i was trying to find a way to slow the bike down so i could get a wider graph with more data points...duh brakes slow it down
first time i have ever wanted to slow the bike down when i was 100% throttle lol
another thing i was thinking of logging was a 6th gear pull from about 3000 rpm and 100% throttle
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted July 14, 2008 10:48 PM
dragging the r brake is a GREAT idea! why didn't i ever think of that???
Scott, logging rear wheel speed and injector duty cycle is gonna take a lil doing with the LM-1 as it 's inputs are analog 0-5v.
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posted July 16, 2008 06:29 PM
Ok Karl, lets stick with just one for now. Im mainly interested in injector duty cycle as im still running the stock fuel pump(i know i need to upgrade my "A" pump"). what do i need to log the duty cycle? im guessing you've done this right?
btw guys dragging the rear brake works great for loading the engine
i made a couple more runs tonight and tweaked the fuel map after ech time. im starting to get a MUCH better AFR, and the bike keeps working better and better. i was ranging from low 11:1 to 14+:1 on my first run, and now its getting closer to my goal of 12.6:1. theres still a lot of rich spots, but not bad(high 11s, low 12s) i had a few low 13s and some mid 13s at the very top of the map (11500rpm/100%). i richened the map again at the 11500/100 cell and its now 13%richer than the map i was running for just the pipe. im guessing it will be in the mid to high 12s in this section on my next run.
hmmm 13% more fuel at redline = roughly 13% more power??? if thats true, it should put me at my goal of 190-195 hp NA safely on pump gas.
ill try to get some pics of the logs up after the wknd. (ill be tuning at the track ) , and i have a bunch of stuff left to do....nowhere close to getting nitrous on the bike. hopefully 2-3 weeks from now......
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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