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posted July 01, 2008 01:14 PM
how many break in miles
should i run before switching to synthetic? new pistons and rings and bearings in my 1287
put it thru a few heat cycles and changed the filter. now it has a few road miles (cough i mean closed course cough). varying the throttle/ load and a few blasts up to (but not quite hitting) the limiter in 6th. my bonny box works  had tach to 11 500 in 6th
also, just wondering what my actual speed was running 17 50 at close to redline in 6th?
thx guys
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posted July 01, 2008 01:46 PM
After the first day at the track should be good..........
When it quits gaining idle speed................
After mine quit that, I ran it about 10 more passes, then switched.
Meeting a rep in an hour for dinner for a AMSoil sponsorship........
All the stuff I can find on it on the internet shows it out does Royal Purple in all aspects.........
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posted July 01, 2008 01:54 PM
i have a bunch of racing 11 in dads bike and more to go in mine when i switch...
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00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted July 01, 2008 02:02 PM
Racing 21 is in mine right now......
Racing 11 in the jr dragster, but I will be switching to a 5w20 soon. I just wanted to do some long term looking at the oil pressure of the 5w30 first.......
And now, with switching to the AMSOIL , I will be wanting to stay at 5w30, just to be sure it performs the same.......
I will keep you guys updated...., because it is actually a little cheaper, and all dyno tests have shown it puts out the same power, or fell within the variance of the dyno, and wear and heat tests, AMSOIL beat RP, so I am very interested to see what happens.
It is also fine to run with Methonal, so it will be going into the JR. Dragster as well........
they are claiming 20,000 miles or more on oil changes in the tow vehicles........, I would not be able to sleep, but it will be going into the MH as well, to see what happens there......, and he said I can double my change intervals in the generators......
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posted July 01, 2008 02:19 PM
Mobil 1 from the day it is built
3 real heeat cycles and wot
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posted July 01, 2008 02:32 PM
You can actually break in a motor on Mobil 1.......?
Most synthetic companies say their oil is so good, that it takes too long to break it in on thier product.......
that is interesting.........
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posted July 01, 2008 03:32 PM
Reher-Morrison at one time used mineral oil on dyno runs at limited rpm.
Then changed to what ever motor oil they where running at the time.
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rgeorge
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posted July 01, 2008 04:33 PM
quote:
also, just wondering what my actual speed was running 17 50 at close to redline in 6th?
thx guys
Should be about 168-170mph if your tire is the same diameter as stock
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KZScott
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posted July 01, 2008 04:39 PM
hmmmm well its had lots of heat cycles, and quite a few WFO blasts.... maybe a few more hard runs and ill put in the purple stuff.
when dad picked up the case of RP they said a couple guys with street bikes ran it for over 2 years, just changed the filter when they had enough miles on. not track bikes, guys that run the twisties or to work regularly...i kinda figured after the season was done i would drain it and put it in the old civic lol. i thought going a whole season was long enough....
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00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
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posted July 01, 2008 04:44 PM
quote:
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also, just wondering what my actual speed was running 17 50 at close to redline in 6th?
thx guys
Should be about 168-170mph if your tire is the same diameter as stock
thx, running a shinko u soft r003 190/50
do you have a chart that shows approx top speed according to gearing?
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00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted July 01, 2008 10:52 PM
@KZScott
i use this one: geardata 2.11 ---http://www.svs-tools.de/5.html
but it is in german !!!!!
if you go: 17/50 with an 190/50 zr17 tire, in the 6th - 12000rpm --- you would have 157mph
shows me geardata
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posted July 01, 2008 10:55 PM
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pic is an sample --- info at the pic -- is not from the zx12r !!!!!! its an sample !!!!!
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posted July 02, 2008 12:36 AM
 Edited By: tcchin on 2 Jul 2008 01:37
Many auto manufacturers use synthetics (Mobil 1, Shell Helix, Castrol Syntec, etc.) as the factory fill.
The only reason I don't use synthetic in fresh motors is because of the cost. I do three or four heat cycles with a high-detergency, heavy EP oil like Rotella T or Delo to wash out the motor, then dump the oil and filter. The very first lap that the motor sees on track is with full synthetic race oil.
My current oil sponsor is Royal Purple, and I have had nothing but excellent results with their products. I have had some bad experiences with other oils in the past and, even though the oil was free, repairing my motors is not. I chose to purchase my own oil for the remainder of the year, rather than risk further damage to my motors by running that oil.
I see that you're planning on using Racing 11 (now called XPR 5W20). Have you adjusted your bearing clearances to use this oil? If not, I would recommend what the KHI engineers recommend for the engine they designed, which is nominally a 40 weight oil (e.g., XPR 10W40, formerly Racing 41).
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posted July 02, 2008 05:07 AM
Castrol syntec is not a synthetic, it only has a synthetic rating from all I have read on it......
You are sponsored by RP, but even they will tell you that Racing 9 could be used.........
I used Racing 11 for years......., in a bone stock zx12. Until we found an excellent clutch tune, and starved the pickup in the koenig pan, all was good. I have Racing 21 now, and have been running it all season, he will be fine with what he has.
RP is EXCELLENT oil.
I will post my results of the AMSoil. We are changing it tomorrow........, and going to run it this sunday......., after all the tests I have seen, I want to try it. What is in my bike has 8 passes......., its going in the Civic.
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posted July 02, 2008 08:47 AM
Syntec comes in various flavors. Some of the commodity oils are Group 3, which is a highly refined Group 2 and is considered synthetic. Others viscosity grades are truly synthetic.
I know RP likes to go as light as possible with their oil recommendations, but sometimes it's not appropriate. It all comes down to the math, and I know that the KHI engineers have done more analysis on these motors than anyone else. You would think that Yoshimura would have done their homework too, and yet they run 10W60 in Ben, Mat and Tommy's machines. Again, it all depends on how the motor is built.
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posted July 02, 2008 12:05 PM
Right, that is for a motor with big tolerances....., they make more power, but for shorter time.........
We do the same with my father in laws Stock eliminator motor........, huge tolerances, has to be built back every 150 passes.........
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posted July 02, 2008 02:31 PM
Tim, would you care to share what oils you had bad luck with and the type of motor/race it was used in, and what you found to work in the same application?
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posted July 02, 2008 04:10 PM
AMA Pro Superbike GSX-R1000. Currently (happily) using RP XRP 10W40 with basically stock clearances. Going looser becomes a downward spiral of bearing wear and thick oils. Going tighter might be a little risky, even with thinner oil. The stock ZX12 clearances are very generous and I would recommend using them with a stock oil viscosity.
Karma is a slippery thing, and I'd hate to squander it on trash-talking a former sponsor's product. Suffice it to say that I'm happy using Royal Purple XRP 10W40. It is a sponsorship that I pursued because of my past positive experiences with their products. A lot of the guys at RP are bike guys, so they enjoy the occasional bike conversation, too.
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posted July 03, 2008 06:58 AM
One thing to be said here......, road racing and drag racing are two different things.........
No way would I use Racing 11 or Racing 21 in a road race bike that had stock clearences calling for Racing 41.
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posted July 07, 2008 05:47 AM
last weekend........we had 2800 to 3000 DA air........
this weekend, we had 3000 to 3600 DA air..........
everyone slowed down but me........., we ran the same........same 330 to 1/8 times, same 1/8 to 1000 ft times. same mph. with even a little less barometer this weekend, and it was up to 102 degrees in the pits. I am stoked. Plus, on top of that, after a pass, at idle, I had 3 or 4 more psi of oil pressure..........., I guess the viscosity tests were right........
RP is good stuff, I ran it for years, but the only change to the bike was the oil change from RP Racing 21 (5w30), to AMSOIL 5w30. We will be running it from now on out. I am sold.
There is a guy here that can get it at a hell of a price. His name is Jerry Gardner. Tell him Heath Wilhite sent you. His number is 501-350-4869
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posted July 07, 2008 07:27 AM
I am no where near a brave as the Cheesman! I also am not brave enough to to assemble the cylinders and Pistons Dry either! I also have seen the problems with poor break in and bad compression. What I do is assemble my engines with SA Rated Oil ND 30 and Run the farily well (No max RPM but up and down the rpm scale maybe up to 7 ot 8,000 rpms for about 50 Miles and then drain it. I then put in the cheapest Motorcycle Oil I can find (Usually Honda Oil) and ride the Bike for another 2 to 300 miles and under a load to redline at least every 20 to 50 miles. Then drain and change Filter and use Motul e-tech 100 which is 50% Pao and 50% Ester Base syn oil!
My thinking is the first 50 miles are the MOST Important and after that it is all fine tuning the Break in!
I got impatient with the Porsche 911 break in and changed to SYN and it really never broke in well and the Cyl pressures were never what I thought they should be!
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