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posted January 14, 2008 10:11 PM
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better turbo motor..zx10 or GSXR1000?
Well, as much as i love my zx14, its time to say good bye.
Too heavy, and wrenching is like taking an onion apart layer at a time... at the layers of plastic..
Smaller and lighter will suit me better I think.
In any event, I intend to turbo a literbike.
Which engine block, crank, rods, transmission and clutch is stronger?
Am I missing any weak pieces?
I thought you guys could provide some personal insight, experiences, and perspectives on motor design, and longevity of the liter class.
I have to admit I am partial to the GSXR, but I am told the rods in that engine are only good for about 250HP, whereas the zx10 rods can handle 500HP.
If the rest of the Ninja engine is that stout, then its a no brainer.
I realise either bike would do well with some decent low compression pistons with the huffer.
I am considering 2005 or newer GSXR, and 2004 or Newer zx10.
so, lets hear what the dyno operators, and mechanics have to say...
Oh yeah, and 300 -350 HP would be the goal, 250 reliably everyday riding.
I intend to run about 8psi for street use, with the ability to run more psi with methanol inj, and race gas.
Thanks,
Lyle
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posted January 15, 2008 08:34 AM
When I installed a turbo on my ZRX this past year I got alot of info from ZRXDean which helped a ton.
Now Dean has moved on and built a turbo ZX10R, so there must have been a good reason. He could have run any platform he wanted but went with a 10. Hit him up for the particulars.
Good luck and buy plenty of underwear!
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posted January 15, 2008 09:01 AM
i know a guy with a turbo 10r. he bought it from Muzzys, 230-240 hp 6 psi pump gas
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted January 15, 2008 10:35 AM
Edited By: zrxdean on 15 Jan 2008 10:36
I picked the 10 because I like Kawasakis, and I picked an 2006 because I got a good deal on one, wanted the newest bike I could find, and the motor made a few more hp in stock trim. By all accounts, the KHI rods are stronger than the Suzukis'. The only drawback I have had with the turbo on the 2006 is the lack of aftermarket parts - the engine cases changed on the 06-07s, thus turbo kits are rare (FAST being the only off-the-shelf), and lockup clutches are not commercially available. Luckily the pistons and rods are the same. MTC has my spare set of cases, and is looking into designing a lockup, but it's no guarantee. Right now I am using the KHI short clutch spring retainers and Barnett springs, but eventually (after 300hp I'm guessing), clutch slippage will be a problem.
Long story short, I'd go with a 2004-2005 ZX10, as you can use the stock rods up to reasonable power levels (350?) and there's several turbo kits out there (Muzzy, Velocity, BigCC, FAST) and clutches are available (Muzzy, MTC).
good luck,
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dubious
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posted January 18, 2008 07:47 AM
Thanks dean
appreciate the advice.
exactly the type of info i was looking for.
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posted January 18, 2008 09:15 AM
I should also say that I picked a ZX10 because I wanted to compete in 1000cc land speed classes. The ZX14, which I was also thinking about, is unfortunately 2cc above the 1350 class break.
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posted January 18, 2008 10:45 AM
You know you want to be a traitor and get one of those new Busas that fit real nice in the 1350 class.
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posted January 18, 2008 04:06 PM
quote:
You know you want to be a traitor and get one of those new Busas that fit real nice in the 1350 class.
OR build a big bore custom stroke 12 to 1350cc's 
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted January 18, 2008 09:12 PM
I'll ride a Bazooki if I have to... as long as it has a turbo. 
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posted January 21, 2008 05:57 PM
Just heard back from MTC - no lockup clutch for the 06-07, the cases are too different.
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posted January 21, 2008 09:47 PM
Dean.................What's the issue with that... The cover or what? SHit man anything can be made.
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posted January 21, 2008 10:01 PM
A spacer needs to be machined to match the cases. The spacer is not 'straight' - it has to skew to account for the shape of the engine cases. Kevin at MTC said it was a royal PITA to do for the 04-05 cases, and it will need to be done all over again for the 06-07.
The other option is to cut and weld the magnesium clutch cover, but because the actuator arm rides in the cover, the spacing would need to be very precise. The cover is thin, the welding would need to be done by a talented magnesium welder, etc.
Right now I'm thinking about sources for heavier springs. I have the KHI short clutch spring retainers, and Barnett springs, but I know Motorhead used to run very heavy clutch springs on turbo Busas up to pretty high HP levels, I may be able to get away with a lot just with spring pressure.
All this is academic until I get the motor making more power, but I'd rather not find out on the dyno that I need more clutch.
Any ideas?
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dubious
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posted January 25, 2008 06:35 AM
Edited By: dubious on 25 Jan 2008 06:43
maybe cycle logic can make something for you....er us.
This looks pretty simple, and small
Look what they have for the 14...
http://secure.mycart.net/catalogs/catalog.asp?prodid=5024653&showprevnext=1
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KZScott
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posted January 25, 2008 09:11 AM
that is thin! way easier to "hide"
i think mine will be fairly unnoticable when im done with it to the average biker
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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