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posted January 12, 2008 05:20 PM
project #2
Hey gang, theres another bike I get to build in town. the old man picked up a 2000 ZX12R today in pieces and i get to put it back together. hes getting back into racing after seeing me race. 
some history. bike has a "knock". a guy that fixes dirt bikes buys it. finds a bad rod bearing(#3) buys a new crank, looses intrest. sells bike to dad, and i get to put it together. theres some cosmetic damage to the bike, but nothing bad, its going to be painted black anyway.
the plan: put motor together with new bearings, billet shift shafts, new shift forks, probably get the R&D circlip mod and shift drum mod and maybe the billet low first gear. extend bike about 8 inches, mount a slick and wheelie bars/strut. sidewinder pipe, cut the oil pan and plastics, internally lower the forks, billet basket, lock up clutch with a NOX tune, airshifter, shift light...thats about all i can think of right now. im played out from driving all day, heres a few pics 
my project gets a little company
its hollow lol. the rest of it is in boxes:P
crank just itching to get sent to marine to become a stroker when i can afford it...
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted January 12, 2008 05:34 PM
KZ
are the cases good on yr dad's bike? especially look at the crank's thrust surfaces
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posted January 12, 2008 05:48 PM
yes! first thing i looked at as per yr advice (thx!) popped each bearing off one at a time and everything looked great, no grooves or scratches 
i think the guy liked wheelies. stock bike, but with a 17 sprocket up front. probly had the oil level down a bit and sucked some air. it was still running when the dirt bike guy took it apart
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted January 13, 2008 01:16 AM
 Edited By: entropy on 13 Jan 2008 01:18
KZ,
just to be sure we are talking about the same "thrust surfaces"...
on the upper case just over main bearing #2 (on both sides of the mount which holds the bearing shell) there are kinda half moon shaped, flat surfaces which control lateral movement of the crank.
When they get deeply scored/worn the crank has too much side movement = bad ju-ju = cases are junk.
Are you looking at those surfaces??
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posted January 13, 2008 05:32 PM
shit, i must have misread yr PM. yes the thrust surfaces look good, actually a tiny bit better than mine.
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted January 13, 2008 06:32 PM
Hey KZ... would you be interested in swapping plastic... since your going to paint it black and it is going to be a race bike? I have a complete set of Race plastic that is on that bike I am rebuilding???
hit me up about it!
Thanks
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posted January 13, 2008 07:03 PM
KZ.. If it's going to be track only, ditch the lock up and get a slider....way easier to set up and more consistent.
Also I have lowers already cut for a Muzzy sidewinder and a lo profile oil pan. the're blue and in good shape. They are yours if you want them for a fair price. Roy
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posted January 13, 2008 11:13 PM
MM, I will send you a pm about plastics
Roy, we want to run a lock up so it can be driven around the pits normally. if nox can get 1.32 60' out of a slick n bar setup with a single stage, im sure we could do as well with a 2 stage (want to get an MTC). i think the bike will run low 9s with his TFA class approved weight, and that kind of a short time. I have him on a diet, and the goal is to get him down to 240 by race season. we are going to mod his oil pan and pick up. i came up with a shorter design to hold way more oil, and shove most of that extra oil towards the pick up under acceleration, and some of it to the pick up on decelleration. (just some extra baffles in the right places) ill be sure to get you guys pics when its done. as long as the pick up doesnt get air, the oiling system should be just fine. proven by a swinging pick up
ill pm you about the plastics too, just to see what all the options are
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted January 14, 2008 06:33 AM
If your going with a lockup......you don't need a mutistage !! A mutistage won't be any advantage over a singlestage with wheelie bars.
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posted January 14, 2008 08:12 AM
we wont be getting a multi. the "single stage" MTC has can be setup as a 2 stage or 3 stage. theres 6 arms. the instructions actually call it a dual stage i think. i got one to use on the blue bike, and we will be looking for one for the silver/black bike
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted January 20, 2008 06:21 PM
still undecided on plastics, but we will be shipping the trans to R&D Motorsports for the following mods:
Robinson Industries billet low first gear, (they keep Bill's gears in stock)
HD circlip mod,
and the shift drum mod to let 5th gear go into place better.
we are also replacing the shift forks as they are worn out. and we will be putting in BDE billet shift shafts.
i need to get some shelves built so i can start organizing parts so i can keep the bikes seperate. the 00 has some serious carbon crap built up in the head and i will be giving it the same treatment mine got with the dremmel .
right now im thinking that since i have carpenter valve springs for the 01 ill use my stock intake springs on the exhaust side of the 00 to make it a little safer to be revved, as RR will be doing his magic on our ECUs. he thinks a "digi-kill" feature can be added using some of the unused input/output wires, as well as a shift light feature and the raised rev limit is allready a proven feature (that we will be getting)
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted January 21, 2008 08:02 PM
While he has your tranny, just spend the money on the works....., it is worth it.......
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posted January 26, 2008 11:03 PM
we thought about it NOX, hes are getting everything but the billet gears(besides first, hes getting that) and the back cut. i think the plan is to get the rest of the billet gears and a back cut next winter when we stroke it . surely its going to hold up 1 season
i wasnt in the mood to shape metal tonight for my bike so i decided to gut the tail section on the 00 (still had the factory tool kit and everything)and start working on an undertail. i cut out the rest of the stock piece(the mudflap was hacked by the PO) and made a cardboad template loosely based on the mototeck i bought for the 01. i think im going to get some sheet aluminum to make the finished product, then paint it black. im thinking this design should provide maximum clearance for a slick once its extended about 8 inches and slammed down on the ground
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted February 03, 2008 06:35 PM
going to give this head the same treatment as i did mine. i allready gave it a bit of a go with the easy off before i took the valves out. this one shouldnt take as long to do. i was getting a lot better by the end of mine...
before:
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted February 04, 2008 12:25 PM
5 times ------------------ head work later ?
you are perfect !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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posted February 04, 2008 11:00 PM
i'm liking that cardboard undertail!!!
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posted February 05, 2008 12:00 AM
its the wrong color !!!
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posted February 05, 2008 01:32 PM
bunch of jokers in here eh?
i got a couple pics of the ACTUAL undertail i started making ill post up as soon as photobucket finishes its routine maintenance....
the cardboard one sure is light though! lol
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted February 05, 2008 07:27 PM
Edited By: KZScott on 5 Feb 2008 19:30
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i'm liking that cardboard undertail!!!
you can have it for free Karl, im finished with it
better colour Woppi?
yes those are my plastics hanging on the wall
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted February 08, 2008 12:37 PM
jep !!! better color !!!
@entropy ---Okidoki ???
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posted February 12, 2008 11:43 AM
clutch cores have been sent to Cloud Nine Motorsports (goldenchild on psychobike). being sent back as an MTC 2 stage lock up
got a set of Pingle "training wheels" (wheelie bars:P) on the way from northernkaw (Harry). the top mounts will work fine, but since we are putting a set of bolt on extensions identical to mine(on the way from Quinn aka buza13), we will be making a set of brackets(probly hack up the pingle brackets) to weld on the bottom of the stock swingarm
probly going to start the head as soon as i finish putting the retainers in mine. the little buggers are hard to get in place lol
may have found a deal on a used muzzy sidewinder over on the psycho board 
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted February 19, 2008 01:30 PM
was talking to Mark @ R&D about the trans. found out some interesting stuff about back cutting gears, and why its so controversial. some guys say back cutting the stock gears is a bad idea, a "ticking time bomb" and have actually broken the gear after it was back cut. other guys have it done and love it, no problems. this is the explanation Mark gave me.
some places use pretty big carbide cutters, and they have to cut in deeper to get rid of the radius, making it weak. Mark says he has seen some(that come in for repair) where there was hardly any material left, it was allmost cut into the bushing. R&D use small(3/16) cutters so they dont have to cut in as deep to get rid of the radius. its more expensive for them as they go through more cutters, but thats how its done right. keeping the integrity of the part.
so after discussing this, the new plan is to hold off on the billet low first, and just get a back cut, shift drum mod, HD clips, and i guess 6th gear is worn out and needs to be replaced. its 20 thou below the servise limit wjere the shift fork goes, (worn a groove in it)
extensions are mounted on the bike
wheelie bars are here, just need to fab a set of lower brackets for them
muzzy sidewinder is on the way
time to get back at the head.....
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted February 28, 2008 03:34 PM
did a bit of work with the bars, cant use the pingle brackets with the extensions so im making a set of lower mounts to weld on the bottom of the swingarm
plz note the cardboard is just a template Karl
the real ones(in progress)
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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posted February 28, 2008 05:36 PM
That undertail looks like my friends bike that was in Two Wheel Tuner. He did the same thing with diamond plate and had it chromed. Bike looks good and should be nice when your done.
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posted February 28, 2008 07:32 PM
Dude, no way in hell I would use bars and extentions....,
Put a 7 inch slick on it, and you creat a TON of stress......., I used to crush the adjusting bolts in the swingarm from stress. Low 1.3 short times are not good on a part like that. I would re think your set up......., I would use something I little more solid for the driveline.......
Too bad I sold my 6 over arm, cause I still have the bars I used for it......,and the mounts......
Best to do, is get an extended arm, 6 to 10 over, to keep front end bounce down, and weld the pingel aluminum brackets to it. Roy Koch has his set up that way, maybe he can post a pic........, that is a good solid set up. Your bar bike will run high 8s......, even with a stock motor. When you get it lined out, let me know, I have a killer set up for a single stage and bars....... 5.70s in the 1/8 with no pipe and no pc.......he he.
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