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posted May 22, 2007 01:02 AM
O2 sensor: how to tell if it is going South????
I'm told that lead in the fuel will eventually turn the O2 sensor bad.
My AF was very stable at the Texas Mile, but seemed not so stable at a subsequent trip to the 1/4 mile.
Can anyone tell me what the symptoms are of a bad sensor?? (i'm using an LM-1)
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posted May 22, 2007 03:00 AM
the easiest way I have found is if you add fuel (like +8) and the A/F doesn't change but like .2
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posted May 22, 2007 05:03 AM
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posted May 22, 2007 05:16 AM
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Check its compass..............
wiseass 
i shoulda predicted it.
Hey Heath, when are you gonna help me set up MY lockup????
huh????
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posted May 22, 2007 05:25 AM
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the easiest way I have found is if you add fuel (like +8) and the A/F doesn't change but like .2
JC, Thanks for the info.
it seems to work fine for load controlled dyno sessions, and at the mile.
BUT at the 1/4 it showed AF 13.7 dropping to 13.4 as rpm went from 8-9k to 11k.
On the dyno under constant load it was showing 12.8+/-.
I'm thinking the sensor is bad and replaced it, but wanna know if anyone else has seen this
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posted May 22, 2007 05:32 AM
I will send ya my phone number in a pm.
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posted May 22, 2007 08:01 AM
i sent Innovate a tech q from their website and got an answer in less than a min:
"You will get an error code. Is some situations you might get very high lean readings before the unit actually throws out the error code. Also, since you are running leaded fuel you will benefit from frequent calibrations"
Pretty cool that they are so quick to answer, eh? 
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posted May 22, 2007 08:16 AM
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Customer service is everything.
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posted May 22, 2007 01:01 PM
quote:
i sent Innovate a tech q from their website and got an answer in less than a min:
"You will get an error code. Is some situations you might get very high lean readings before the unit actually throws out the error code. Also, since you are running leaded fuel you will benefit from frequent calibrations"
Pretty cool that they are so quick to answer, eh?
Karl I need to send you a Bad one I have to test the theroy
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posted May 22, 2007 06:01 PM
I should have bought one of their's. I have and AutoMeter Wide band on my bike. What a PITA it's been. Spend the extra money!
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posted May 22, 2007 09:38 PM
JC,
good idea on installing a known bad one. Please bring it to Buddy's next week.
7 more days till we load up for MIR!!!
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posted May 22, 2007 09:41 PM
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I should have bought one of their's. I have and AutoMeter Wide band on my bike. What a PITA it's been. Spend the extra money!
teddy
what was ur experience with the Autometer?
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posted May 23, 2007 03:04 AM
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JC,
good idea on installing a known bad one. Please bring it to Buddy's next week.
7 more days till we load up for MIR!!!
turbo is off 1397 is in, just need to throw it in the frame
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posted May 23, 2007 04:02 AM
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quote:
I should have bought one of their's. I have and AutoMeter Wide band on my bike. What a PITA it's been. Spend the extra money!
teddy
what was ur experience with the Autometer?
I'm on my second one. Both lock up about every other time booting up, so you have to turn the bike off and restart. If you take off before it's done with it's 20 second warm up it locks up. If you idle the bike at over 2k rpms it locks up or give you false readings. It has a WOT logging feature that doesn't work. All I get when trying to use this feature is a reading of 16.0. The tech department has been very helpful up until now. I sent over an email to the guy I've been dealing with that I'm done trying to make this guage work. I have yet to hear a response back. Spend the extra money for the Innovative or the Wideband Commander!!!!! I wish I had.
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posted May 23, 2007 05:11 AM
ST,
you are deep into the 9's with VERY strong 60'.
Maybe you need to accept one of those zillion offers for a pre-approved Visa and buy a WB or LM-1???
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posted May 23, 2007 05:12 AM
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turbo is off 1397 is in, just need to throw it in the frame
man.... you can do that in yer sleep; Go-Johnny, GO, GO!!
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posted May 23, 2007 06:11 AM
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ST,
you are deep into the 9's with VERY strong 60'.
Maybe you need to accept one of those zillion offers for a pre-approved Visa and buy a WB or LM-1???
The Autometer Guage will either go in my car or up on Ebay and be replace with either the Innovative setup or the WB Cammander from Dynojet. Will have to wait another month because I just bought some Yosh cams!!
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posted May 28, 2007 06:49 AM
I just got the o2 sensor , LC-1 and DL-32 data logger finally and working.. the tech at Innovative motorsport was very helpful.. I still get only half the readings of RPM I should get.. any Ideas??
Also .. do I set my air fuel ratio for 13:1 (using power comander USB III ) at 80 % throttle as well as at 100%?? or just at 100% ?? does it matter....
I am new to tuning and appreciate any basic pointers and experience anyone can share to help me make the best power out of my 2004 ZX-10R...
not trying to thread jack.. want to learn what am I doing....
Thanks in advance guys!!  :;
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posted May 28, 2007 09:01 AM
salsa
here is a note i made when setting up mine (the old style):
initial set up: followed section 5.2 auto set up and it worked; 1. hold rpm steady at 4k rpm, press set up until led blinks fast, 2. hold at 4k until led blinks slowly; 3. after 5sec or so it will light steadily; 4. click rpm X 2 in rpm configure in lm-1 log
on AF target
I get readings during 1/4 mile and Texas Mile passes, and it is all 100% throttle.
I then just copy the 100% column in the PC3 to the 80%. I really don't care about the 80% but do the copy as a precaution.
In 1st gear when throttle position and rpm are both geberally changing rapidly, i don't get good data
Good luck!!!
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posted May 29, 2007 05:17 AM
Edited By: salsa1 on 29 May 2007 06:25
Appreciate it entropy...I should have mentioned my dyno results also had the A/F ratio at 12.8:1 ; and the LC-1 with data logger yielded high 13's and low 14's results..(all readings at 100% throttle) had to add over +12 to get down to 12:7-13.1:1 on average...
In my case I installed two shorter velocity stacks and removed secondary flies...so not entirely the best way to make a judgment.. however the reports are that the velocity stacks should not change much and the secondary flies removed ...well.. that could change some..
If I find any usefull info along the way be glad to share with you...
There is a lot of analysis a guy can do with this Innovative product; ..(as I understand) .... we are just scrapping the surface at the moment...but I feel that perfecting the air fuel ratio will help a lot...
I can have a map for hot days and one for colder days .. ect.ect...
I hated paying $300.00 for every map...I can use racing fuel and not need to pay every time I make a change... 
Thanks!!
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posted May 29, 2007 05:34 AM
Very few shop will clean their A/F pumps daily. I do it can make a world of differance. also remember you will be about .2 leaner at high speeds vs. staic dyno
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posted May 29, 2007 08:04 AM
LM-1 gives great information for tuning. The dynojet WB is much more compact to leave on the bike but does NOT give the same level of detail. With the LM-1 and a track you won't need a dyno.
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posted May 29, 2007 06:24 PM
The DL-32 is more compact than the LM-1to fit in the motorcycle somewhere...... both achieve same results.. both from Inovative motorsports.. just info guys..
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posted June 01, 2007 09:13 AM
Does the Dl-32 give TPS and RPM reference for AFR.
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posted June 01, 2007 07:02 PM
DL-32: has five channels to input in total.. I am only using two...RPM and throttle position.
It does give you RPM and reference AFR on a graph.. records to small memory card and I take it to a card reader to analyze at my PC in the house..
TPS is throttle position?
Yes it has a channel to input voltage at full throttle and no throttle which you program for your specific bike.....
I have not read or used it yet specifically..but I am getting rpm versus AFR for 100 % throttle position...thats what I record at at 100 percent full throttle...so I assume my recording data is for 100% ...
have had the system operational for only a week.. have about 25 sessions recorded so far.. I do notice that with race gas versus pump gas there is a 12.9 with race gas and a about a 12.4 AFR with pump gas.. must be working..
I like it.. but was quite an effort to get to work I think...
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