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posted May 08, 2006 06:23 AM
I totally agree
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VincentHill
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posted May 08, 2006 12:06 PM
Just read this thread. Nox was paying attention!! Not only me, but other people found that when over filled with oil the crank start slapping the oil and taking away HP. Also buy having oil in the clutch basket area, (Over modification of the clutch pusher and drilling the Sleeve and Oil holes in the Hub) people lost power. A lot of people found that when they went to the Billet Basket (I do not have the Muzzy Basket but the one made by Falicon who may have made some of the Muzzy baskets) that I gained 2 hp with no other modifications. Several other people have reported this also and the only explanation is "Windage"! it is a lot les on a smooth surface.
On the Oil Overfill, qa LOT of people reported on this to the point where everyone just put in 3 quarts no matter what the Level said. I even believe one of the people was our own DOug Meyer and might also have been RG!
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posted May 09, 2006 12:46 AM
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...when over filled with oil the crank start slapping the oil ...having oil in the clutch basket area...quote]
Vincent,
I am really struggling to see how another 1/2" (or even inch) of oil level is gonna have the crank "slapping the oil" or put more oil in the clutch basket??????
the crank and basket rotate WAY above the "pool" of oil in the sump.
what am i missing????
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VincentHill
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posted May 09, 2006 04:11 AM
"slapping the oil" or put more oil in the clutch basket??????
the crank and basket rotate WAY above the "pool" of oil in the sump.
YES they do, but when people are leaned in the turns and overfilled by a quart or more I think the crank and clutch will be in the oil
BUT the Clutch Basket Oil I was referring to was in the case of a few people that have flattened the Clutch pusher a lot and drilled the Bearing sleeve and have a lot of oil now being sent into the CLutch area and after a run pull off the clutch cover and a lot of oil comes out! That is what I am talking about!
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MadMike
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posted May 09, 2006 04:15 AM
we really dont like turns Vince.... it is not good for the old health... 
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NOX
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posted May 09, 2006 04:51 AM
Yeah, we just try to turn the earth with the tire...............
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posted May 09, 2006 04:58 AM
Oh come on now , you know it blows the cobwebs out like nothing else .....
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VincentHill
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posted May 09, 2006 10:50 AM
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we really dont like turns Vince.... it is not good for the old health...
That hurt me to read It is a Motorcycle and they are supposed to lean into the turns and have round tires! (Not flat ones)
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ninja12
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posted May 09, 2006 11:31 AM
Being a logical person, i like to understand thing that interest me.
I don't understand the hp loss with a little higher oil lever.
I also don't understand how the 02 inner clutch basket can help
the dry clutch when it's inside of a billet basket which don't have any oil in it.
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VincentHill
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posted May 09, 2006 05:45 PM
 Edited By: VincentHill on 9 May 2006 18:49
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Being a logical person, i like to understand thing that interest me.
I don't understand the hp loss with a little higher oil lever.
I also don't understand how the 02 inner clutch basket can help
the dry clutch when it's inside of a billet basket which don't have any oil in it.
I do not remember ever seeing the 02 basket being mentioned as the reason for Oil in the Clutch area.
No Kawasaki clutch I have ever seen stock has the pusher ground on one side to put oil into the Hub area
Second, the person that had his full of oil "ENLERGED THE HOLES IN THE HUB AND SLEEVE ALONG WITH THE FLATTENED PUSHER Trust me if you want a lot of oil in that area flatten the pusher about 3/8 of an inch wide on one side and put about a 7/32 hole in the sleeve and drill 1/8 to 3/16 holes all over the Hub and see what you get. While you are at it add 2 quarts of oil and see if you not only lose power but if that by itself will fill the clutch area
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ninja12
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posted May 10, 2006 11:50 AM
There is a recommended clutch setup around here that includes the 02 inner hub.
I can't remember who but several people had tried the setup and it
helped clutch life for drag racing. I think it was crotchrocket.
As far a 2 extra quarts of oil, that's extreme.
I'm thinking an extra 1/2 quart for those who have 60' in the 1.4's or better.
Karl documented pressure drop with the zx12 and other bikes have had simular problems.
I'd like to see if the higher oil level is a problem when the oil is thrown to the back of the pan.
Maybe raise the front 2-3 inches and strap the back on a dyno. Since the crank is in the front and most of the oil is pushed to the back, this will simulate a drag racing pass correct?
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VincentHill
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posted May 10, 2006 01:38 PM
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There is a recommended clutch setup around here that includes the 02 inner hub.
I can't remember who but several people had tried the setup and it
helped clutch life for drag racing. I think it was crotchrocket.
As far a 2 extra quarts of oil, that's extreme.
I'm thinking an extra 1/2 quart for those who have 60' in the 1.4's or better.
Karl documented pressure drop with the zx12 and other bikes have had simular problems.
I'd like to see if the higher oil level is a problem when the oil is thrown to the back of the pan.
Maybe raise the front 2-3 inches and strap the back on a dyno. Since the crank is in the front and most of the oil is pushed to the back, this will simulate a drag racing pass correct?
Now we are in agreement. The 02 clutch is what Muzzy did for the 00 & 01. It is easier than you think to put in 2 quarts too much! Put in 4 quarts in the engine (After all some where it says that!) and carefully fill the Oil filter (about 1/2 quart) and remember there is close to 1 quart already in the engine and you are then over 2 quarts over filled and never put in more than 4 quarts in the engine.
Not what you were thinking where some dummy sees the oil level and adds 2 quarts, no, more like adding 2+2 and getting 6
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