SUPERRDAVE
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posted April 25, 2006 04:17 PM
What kind of oil do you use?if you're in Fla. or close call L&W Motorworks(Dan Wagner 954-792-3339).get a case of Renegade 20/50 Semi Synthetic..........pull and cool your clutches after every pass(if you don't allready) this is a good time to check the oil also......
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CrotchRocket
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posted April 25, 2006 04:55 PM
That sucks Dean, bike is looking good except for the motor...
How long will it take you to get it running again???
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NOX
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posted April 25, 2006 05:46 PM
I would say full synthetic, but dave has been at this longer than me............, Royal Purple has done me great
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wannabe
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posted April 25, 2006 09:20 PM
Dang, Dean. Nothing to add here except good luck getting her back together soon!
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zrxdean
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posted April 26, 2006 07:00 AM
I run Mobil 1 Dave, usually 15/50. 5-6 quarts.
Hopefully I will be at the track tonite, getting some seat time on a turbo BUSA... heh. Chris Jones is showing mercy and letting me ride his Super Street bike in Richmond. Todd Schnitz is a new father, and won't be leaving the state for a while, and Chris was gonna ride it himself, but I got lucky. Good people for sure.
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zrxdean
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posted April 26, 2006 07:01 AM
I have a stock crank and Falicon rods on the way, should be running within a month I hope.
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Rac4It
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posted April 26, 2006 08:35 AM
Dean you are the man. I'm glad you survived on the top end with that kind of failure. Best of luck on the rebuild.
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SUPERRDAVE
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posted April 26, 2006 12:56 PM
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I run Mobil 1 Dave, usually 15/50. 5-6 quarts.
Hopefully I will be at the track tonite, getting some seat time on a turbo BUSA... heh. Chris Jones is showing mercy and letting me ride his Super Street bike in Richmond. Todd Schnitz is a new father, and won't be leaving the state for a while, and Chris was gonna ride it himself, but I got lucky. Good people for sure.
Dean
sounds good,but check into the Renegade with Dan at L&W......(trust me)
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Ra12r
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posted April 26, 2006 03:32 PM
I know for a fact that copper won't neccessarily show up in the filter. When I was saying check the oil, I meant more like every 2-5 passes. Oil is cheap or can be filtered and re-used. You have to use a paper towel to filter the oil and the pan has to allow the copper to leave the pan. The zx12's pan is not very good for doing this, as the bottom is not flush to the opening. We check the big busa very regularly, because oil and bearings is much cheaper than a crank or a lose during a money race!!! But, even with this routine, it only takes ONE PASS or ONE HALF PASS to mess up a crank.
Having dealt with this a time or two I will say that you might want to check the "rotating" end of the rods also. They can get out of round easier than you think. Just call and ask Carrillo. The check is cheap and they will recondition them if neccessary. I say that because enormous stress was put on the other 3 rods and this stress was not a balanced stress...........Kinda like a dyno!!!
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posted April 26, 2006 03:42 PM
yikes....do you really use a paper towel to filter the oil?
I cant imagine you are unable to find a better medium for filtering.
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zrxdean
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posted April 26, 2006 04:07 PM
I have a small plug that drains the filter housing, maybe I could just drain that into a clean container and see specks. I will drain the oil after every trip to the track from now on.
I will call Dan Wagner and ask about the oil Dave, what do I have to lose. Thanks.
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Nukedog
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posted April 27, 2006 06:03 AM
Sorry to hear about the motor Dean. But it looks like you are on top of it and will be up in no-time.
That is cool of Jones - he seems like a good guy every time i have talked to him. Have fun on the Busa...
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countersteer
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posted April 27, 2006 10:06 AM
very good thread.
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smokinZX14
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posted April 27, 2006 04:22 PM
Glad your ok Dean .. Oil on the tire at 178 you are a lucky man...
Dean on the blown motors we run we do a tear down after every race to keep this kind of thing from happing ... We found that after 50 or so run the rods would start to egg shape and this are steel 1800 hp pro mod rods..As soon as the big end of the rod get a little out of round the bearing will lose it's crush and then spin....Looking at your rod and how blues it is that looks to be what happened..As soon as the bearing spins oil stops,rod heats up red to white hot , rod weakens and boom ... It's not an oil problem...... You are making a ton of power and because of that you are going to have to do tear downs more offten and mic the rods... I would mic the other rods and see if thay are a little out of spec, i bet you will find that they are..... If so have them resized and add new rod bolts and you are good to go...
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smokinZX14
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posted April 27, 2006 04:24 PM
quote:
Glad your ok Dean .. Oil on the tire at 178 you are a lucky man...
Dean on the blown motors we run we do a tear down after every race to keep this kind of thing from happing ... We found that after 50 or so run the rods would start to egg shape and these are steel 1800 hp pro mod rods..As soon as the big end of the rod get a little out of round the bearing will lose it's crush and then spin....Looking at your rod and how blues it is that looks to be what happened..As soon as the bearing spins oil stops,rod heats up red to white hot , rod weakens and boom ... It's not an oil problem...... You are making a ton of power and because of that you are going to have to do tear downs more offten and mic the rods... I would mic the other rods and see if they are a little out of spec, i bet you will find that they are..... If so have them resized and add new rod bolts and you are good to go...
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posted April 27, 2006 05:34 PM
so yer sayin that rods dont have a life past 50 passes (obviously give or take depending on application)??
thats a somewhat disturbing thought.
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smokinZX14
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posted April 27, 2006 06:52 PM
 Edited By: smokinZX14 on 27 Apr 2006 19:54
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so yer sayin that rods dont have a life past 50 passes (obviously give or take depending on application)??
thats a somewhat disturbing thought.
Depending on your HP out put ... More hp less runs.... Less hp more runs ...Dean is close or at the 400 hp level...Thats alot ....
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zrxdean
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posted April 27, 2006 08:43 PM
I'll get them checked S14. Because I got a deal, I'm putting new Falicon rods in it this time, hope they last a while. Thanks for your input. -Dean
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Lorcan
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posted April 28, 2006 01:02 AM
Shame, but glad you are ok.
MrTurbo used to fit an additional oil jet to #3 on their ZX11 motors as a matter of course. If you don't have this mod it might be worth looking into.
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Ra12r
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posted April 28, 2006 07:51 AM
It is not an oiling issue, it is a pressure issue and the relationship to metal fatigue.
SZX-14, please know that is it very dangerous to agree with me as your repretation could be affected around here.
YCIS, at least I use tissue paper!!!
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kcadby
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posted April 30, 2006 04:27 AM
Dean...
Tell "Scrub" (Dan Wagner) that I said Hi...
He finished 2nd for the year...one of the 2-years that I won back-to-back Track Championships at Morrosso before I moved up here   ...
He has built, tuned, maintained BIG NO2 powered bikes in the years since then...
He built my friend Tony's Championship winning Outlaw bike/MOTORS (first ever 200mph...no-bars-bike)...also Joe Longs Championship (before Tony's) winning program...
He's been working on multiple ProMods also the last couple of years...
Hi Scrub!!!
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