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posted April 04, 2006 07:21 PM
 Edited By: MadMike on 6 Apr 2006 08:32
Ken Stotz DQ'ed in Atlanta
I am going to try and call prostar so I can get more information, but what I have heard now was after his second qualifing pass it was discovered that he had weight in his front wheel, which is illegal. they DQ'ed his first two passes and told him to remove the weight, which he did, But he then mounted weight to the tripple clamps, which is also illegal. at that time the Prostar Tech took that as a "flagrent foul" and DQ'ed him for the entire event!
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posted April 04, 2006 08:17 PM
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posted April 05, 2006 05:02 AM
I have not noticed if anyone else does this, but do you notice he flips the forks........., runs the calipers in the front..........
He runs 954 forks on it, and flips them around, moving the weight forward that way............,
My bike is in the trailer, but I wonder if that can be done with ours.......
I am still lifting the front end about 30 feet out when the clutch comes in, even at 68 inches.........
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posted April 05, 2006 05:05 AM
Personally, I think the gas tank mods are bull, and should not be allowed. The bikes do not look like they were intended. Modded tails, fine, but wow, his front body work is at the front of the fender, even with the new raking rules.
Just my .02
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posted April 05, 2006 05:39 AM
If you have to cheat to win, is the win really worth anything?
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posted April 05, 2006 05:52 AM
heh...yea..im sure he is the only one doing something outside the rules in a prostar race 
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posted April 05, 2006 05:20 PM
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heh...yea..im sure he is the only one doing something outside the rules in a prostar race
Really!!
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posted April 05, 2006 06:00 PM
Ah sponsorship money?
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If you have to cheat to win, is the win really worth anything?
If you think any of the Prostreet guys arent skirting the rules... you're kidding yourself.
Its no secret that Kent's bike was setup like that for years......
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MadMike
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posted April 05, 2006 06:44 PM
skirting is one thing, in a class like that it is your mission to live in the grey area...
but black is black and white is white, and when they tell you no twice and you do the same thing in a different area... snap....
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posted April 05, 2006 07:22 PM
He rolled the dice and got caught. Now he gets ZERO points for Commerce. With the limited schedule this year, that will hurt his chances at the championship. Mike Slowe is on track to dominate.
Stotz will be riding the new CBR1000 in Richmod, so that will get some attention, but you'd have to expect some teething pains with a whole new platform, especially with a small motor. Should be interesting.
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posted April 05, 2006 07:53 PM
doesnt he get a big weight bonus with the 1000cc bike?
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posted April 05, 2006 09:26 PM
Yep, no minimum weight with production 1000s. The CBR is tiny, he looks like Shaq next to it.
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posted April 05, 2006 09:58 PM
That whole Prostreet Class is a freaking joke. Rules that aren't enforced or only enforced for some and not for others. Gas tanks that dont look like gas tanks any more. Seats that aren't really seats anymore.
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posted April 06, 2006 05:20 AM
I am glad they brought Super Street in. Too bad it will be out of the average guys relm in a year as well though...................
I wonder what Honda had to say to him.............
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MadMike
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posted April 06, 2006 06:12 AM
You know what here are what the rules should say. Pro-Street. No Frame Mods, No fork angle change, No Weight Added, Fuel tank MUST BE STOCK!, Stock Plastic, and Stock Head and Tail light!!! 3" ground clearance, RUN WHAT YOU BRUNG.....
that is is, you really do not need anything else. that would cover just about everything... oh 68" wb.... I mean if you cut the seat rails DQ! if you cut the tank DQ.... and screw this you lose points for one race... How's about a 5,000 fine if you get caught cheating...Oh and a big board at the Track and on the Web Page of everyone who was DQ'ed and WHY the race before... I mean come on Play HARDBALL...
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posted April 06, 2006 06:22 AM
I personally don't think anyone here should have anything to say about this "cheating" in Prostar. Everyone was PERFECTLY SILENT when the "green team" was caught! If folks want to stand for what's right, then do it ALL THE TIME!!! Don't do it like Shawn Hennedy, who only stands for what is right if a republican does it, and justifies and rationalizes wrong actions if it is a republican. That is sickening..........
I believe in "Race to Win" I don't believe that racing will ever be fair and frankly can't be when each bikes modifications is limited to the creativity of the owner. I don't know why they can't reduce the rules to simplier restrictions which would remove the drama about bikes being different.
Until then, Cheating is Cheating, whether it is Ken Stotz, Chip Hunter, Muzzy's, or Joe Blow so CALL IT and POST IT about EVERY TEAM or NO TEAM.
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posted April 06, 2006 07:18 AM
The rules would be simplier if they state what can be changed and by how much for the
Street classes.
Max wheelbase, shock changes, suspension lower limit, gears, max engine size, shifter rules, power adders limits, clutch changes. Allow or not fairing mods/changes
EVERYTHING ELSE STOCK! no data logging of any kind!
At ~200 lbs i would probably never win, but if it was a true sportsman race, I'd damn
sure give it a try.
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MadMike
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posted April 06, 2006 07:29 AM
I was just reporting what I heard, and from now on I will do the same for everyone. and personally this is the place to air any thing like this out. some people want to know and some people do not give a crap. I knew about Chip having an illigal engine, but I do not remember the Muzzy team cheating? were they DQ'ed? I do remember one time that Ryan was DQ'ed for a "spring" on the exhaust that hit the 2" bar and they were DQ'ed from the event, they were not allowed to move it or remove it.
But your totally correct Ra "anyone" who get's DQ'ed from a national event i will post about it!
and I totally agree with you on Simple rules....
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posted April 06, 2006 08:40 PM
Maybe he is talking about that big heavy header they were running on the zx10
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posted April 06, 2006 08:47 PM
Thanks for the info Mike!!!...Getting DQed is no big deal, it happens to alot of racers!!!...Im not going to damn them, I give them credit for competing in those heads-up classes...That stuff is just the way it is!!!
Thats why I bracket race...I cant afford to compete with the guys with the $$$ and A-1 mechanics
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posted April 07, 2006 06:18 AM
Hey you guys understand that I am not upset at any of you nor surprised at any of the racers "Trying to get an edge". Racing is a sport that has in its design an inherent motivation to do things that would help you to win over the other racers. Cheating is Cheating, but in racing it will never stop and EVERYONE is suspect!!! Some get caught and when they do they should be Disciplined for their actions just like children. But, I do have a major issue with folks running around preaching VIRGINITY and selling pussy at night. No one makes anyone open their mouth and say "This or That", then get caught in a lie. That is their choice.
As all know, I really have not tried to be politically correct, but then I also miss the wonderful experiences that Fish and MM got to have also. There is a price for everything in this dimension.
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posted April 07, 2006 10:18 AM
whatever happened to it boiling down to the best tunner/mechanic and then the rider. any streetbike class should be streetbikes with minor mods and no alterations. if you want to do what those guys are doing just open the door for them with a no bar and with a limited wheel base class an go for it. they left streetbike catagory when they spend more than 2500.00 on a stock bike. racing should be against the mechanics tunning ability and how well you can ride. not how much money can be spent on the bike. and how much grey area is there for cheating. for every rule made there is a loophole for it. one way or another. open the door for these guys allow them to develope and sell parts for the ones that can afford that. open the door for the low budget racers like i thought this new class would. and then people like me would participate. i almost see already the new class will be way out of reach. no power adders is what it should be and no monster motors, but now like Rickey said, there will be 450 hp bikes in there. still out of reach. i have a 198 hp motor with a dryshot. and it has been 8.64 in 1/4. i would love to get in prostar but with this kinda stuff goin on i may not even attend anymore races. the crowd in Atl. was biggest i seen in a minute there. they could have doulble that if things were different. my friends would not even come with me, i had to go alone. they dont like what is happening with prostar.
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posted April 07, 2006 12:41 PM
The class has turned into a 68 and 70" outlaw pro street class.........., with dot tires......
I like what Mike said..........
No cutting the frame, stock gas tank........, I think aftermarket body ok, but in stock location.
No extra weight added............, no tolerance for ground clearance or wb issues.
and road coarse mandatory............., and to hell with that slider clutch crap............
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posted April 08, 2006 06:49 AM
thats cool, but those guys because of the sliders, lockups and all the aftermarket company's that make these parts need to sell them. if not to them then who will need them. open the door for these guys heads up, run what you brung with few rules. then you will see some things. then keep the new class with more rules and few allowances. and the low budjet guys would flood prostar with real streetbikes. then you got the 1000 ss for the small bikes and guys. that seems to be okay now. rockingham will have more participation in head count in 1 event than several prostar races combined. if it takes stuff like best reaction time bonus. best 60' bonus and any other attraction to get people in and interested. things will change. there has even been vendor drop offs. 1 big vendor is not comming anymore which i looked forward 2 seeing and doing buisness with. I even needed a normal street tire for my friends bike i could not find there. I normally talk with the pro guys and they are normaly friendly. and helpful. in atlanta they were so upset they didnt even feel like being themselves. I think this is upsurb. I will not attend prostar again until things change. Even top fuel is suffering.
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posted April 08, 2006 09:14 AM
Lonnie, Prostar will never make a real streetbike class for 2 reasons...You cant police the cheaters and there is street ET...Thats what street ET is for!!!
In MIROCK Street ET and Pro ET are getting more popular and the attendance is big, but dont get the respect of the Big Sponsor Heads-Up classes...The owners do appreciate the streetbike guys, offering a points series in Street ET !!!
Reality is, it's all about the sponsors that offer $$$ for their parts used on bikes!!!
It's our choice to be a part of Heads-Up with the $$$ guys or Brackets with the no $$$ guys!!!
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