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posted July 31, 2005 10:33 PM
 Edited By: kcadby on 31 Jul 2005 23:47
Few things here...
#1 The run("s") WERE on NUETEC...
#2 The bike made 186HP on the dyno after mapping with Nuetec the NIGHT BEFORE RACE...with 40-ish??? degree air in the Dyno-cell...
#3 "I backed up" the 9.03 with a 9.02 152+mph the same "MineShaftAir" weekend...diff. day though  ...
#4 I was VERY MUCH at the top of my riding game ON THIS BIKE when I went to this race...
#5 The track was VERY well prepped...
#6 The air was UNREAL-good (40*-50*s)...
#7 The bike "as run down the track with me on it" with at least 2gal. gas weighed 700-even on the ProStar Race/ Gville digital scale...
#8 We were one of (if not the only???) ZX12 on the planet running the gearing I had/put on THIS ZX12... 
#9 I don't give half -a-damn what you WANT to believe RA but...the valve cover had NEVER been off of this motor before (or MANY months after) this race...
That being said... 
I ran the SAME BIKE last night (7-30-05) with the 200HP 1260 ProLight Pistons motor that "I built for my best friend John"...didn't cost him a penny for labor or dyno-time...
I ran "only" a 9.27 at 150+MPH...last night...WTF???
This motor made 200.8HP with "good air" on pump gas (VERY low compression...NOT buy choice) 500-miles after it was built...it would be lucky to have made 192-3 (correction factor included) last night as bad/hot/humid as the air is here in Fl. right now...
The tire spun through 1st (1.50+ 60Ft)...I am VERY much out of practice ridding this bike right now (for the last 1.5 years actually)...the gearing isn't "right for me-and-this-motor" anymore...
The Track-TION SUCKED...
See a pattern here???
ra...I won't out-right accept your "motor builder challenge" for a reason that I'm sure you won't believe...(and don't care if you do)...
I have yet to build a ZX12 motor to it's fullest potential for it's size...
I have built...
195+Hp 1270 "muzzy Kit" ...built (tuned by me at SM2W)...
200.8 hp 1260 "MTC ProLight" (with many lightened parts in bottom)...built/tuned at SM2W...
210Hp 1361 "muzzy Kit"...built/tuned at SM2W...
ALL OF my ZX12 motors...to date...have been built to run on "pump gas in Street Bikes that can/could/ARE to be ridden any where...any time...as far as the owners ass can stand it"...
It is for this reason that I know for SURE (and would be SHOCKED other wise) that there are MANY motors out there that have WAY MORE power than I have built in ZX12 motors...
To date...1361 is as big as I have built for one thing...
EVERY ZX12 motor that I have ever built (above listed 1st ever 1270 was built over 3-years ago... 1st 1361 was built 2.5+ years ago included) are
ALL STILL RUNNING...
We just ran DEAN's "small-motor-stock-head" ZRX Turbo as raced last night (171+MPH) on the dyno to a new for this bike... 329+HP 185+FtLb
so we can/will see how his over-size-valve head works on it after he installs it...
And my "Stock Motor" ZRX Turbo... to 220+/150+...
Not gonna splain/waste-my-time on this thread or to RA...anymore...
Don't give a darn what he thinks/believes about me...
I hope for sure that he has a motor-or-two+??? out there that can whip-the-crap out of my STREET MOTORS...LOL...
I'd be VERY ashamed if I were him (the way he talks) if he doesn't...
I am now going to RIDE MY BIKE to an AWfull House for breakfast...then home...
   
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Ra12r
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posted August 01, 2005 04:00 AM
KCADBY, please understand that what I plan on bringing is a "COMPLETE" street bike. Full fairing including turn signals. I have riden the bike in Daytona bike week traffic, Myrtle bike week traffic.....etc. Prior to some "issues" that began with my transmission repair, 7000miles of street killing miles!
1) Thanks for the above post, but I didn't ask for all that...................
2) I have not challenged your riding abilities. This is a "builders" challenge not a riders challenge.
3) I don't care what combo you have, I don't care about the details, I dont care about nothing on a zx12 that "YOU" have built except that the front tire turns on the tree! Cause after that, you will BOW to the RA Supremcy!
4) I definitely want to try your 200HP 1270 or 1260 motor(whatever), as I personally could only get 170HP out of a Y2K piped 1270 engine on pump gas. You should have me covered "IF" your motors are actually putting out that kind of power.........
5) We can put pump gas in the bikes to be fair.
6) Responding to your last night pass, "Maybe" your 200HP 1260 is not putting out 200HP.............HMMMMMMM
7)MPH at the track does not lie! vs Dyno power! Remember, I don't like dyno's...
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Nukedog
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posted August 01, 2005 07:00 AM
MPH does not lie but anyone with common sense knows that if you spin at all you lose alot of MPH...
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posted August 01, 2005 08:23 AM
If its a builders challenge....then you could simply just post dyno charts.
Taking it to the track and racing makes it a riders challenge.
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entropy
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posted August 01, 2005 08:29 AM
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MPH does not lie but anyone with common sense knows that if you spin at all you lose alot of MPH...
hmmmm...
this has not been my experience;
seems like i can make about every mistake in the book and get pretty consistent mph as long as I stay WOT as much as possible... dipping the throttle to regain traction will kill my ET's but not mph. hmmmm...
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AnotherRedHead
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posted August 01, 2005 08:43 AM
entropy is right, often if you spin a little initially you will run more MPH. Doesnt sound right but it is....
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osti33
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posted August 01, 2005 09:53 AM
quote:
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MPH does not lie but anyone with common sense knows that if you spin at all you lose alot of MPH...
hmmmm...
this has not been my experience;
seems like i can make about every mistake in the book and get pretty consistent mph as long as I stay WOT as much as possible... dipping the throttle to regain traction will kill my ET's but not mph. hmmmm...
Yep. Same here.
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MadMike
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posted August 01, 2005 10:33 AM
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MPH does not lie but anyone with common sense knows that if you spin at all you lose alot of MPH...
Yep I am another with no common sense. my bike does the 180..... if I spin my mph goes up.
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Nukedog
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posted August 01, 2005 10:51 AM
Amazing.. Everytime i spin in second and the back of the bike goes sideways i have to let off the throttle then get back on - costs me about 4mph...
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AnotherRedHead
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posted August 01, 2005 11:22 AM
Edited By: AnotherRedHead on 1 Aug 2005 12:25
theres a diff between spinning and spinning sideways. When your bike is spinning and moving but going straight, its gonna mph higher. If your just killing the tire into smoke and the bike is going sideways, of course your gonna lose MPH.
Everyone has seen the bike at the track that will be on the edge of traction throughout the pass kinda squealing but hauling ass. Thats a higher MPH than if the same bike rolled with a mickey and hooked dead out of the gate. Turbobikes will hook and run 10 mph less but with faster ET than a pass that was spinning a little. Ive seen a 7.90 @ 180, and Ive seen a 7.90 @ 190. Same bike, two different passes.
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zrxdean
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posted August 01, 2005 11:22 AM
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I personally could only get 170HP out of a Y2K piped 1270 engine on pump gas
I've got $100 on whatever Kevin is riding.
Dean
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Nukedog
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posted August 01, 2005 01:11 PM
Guess you'll have to prove it to me with math or physics...
Slippage is slippage. Anyway it's not worth the argument...
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RA12r
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posted August 01, 2005 01:16 PM
YCIS, I understand what you are saying, however, because the dyno operator can also affect the outcome, I choose to meet at the track , bikes side by side, same day-same time. Besides a dyno number does not tell me what I want to know. There are multiple builders posting BIG dyno numbers and can't run on the street or track. I am looking for a real world track victory not a dyno shootout. IE: Iboomalot on the same day that he won the dynoshootout in daytona 2001 at 217HP also did a roll-on race that night and lost to a 1270.
Don't spend your money before I collect it Dean..........thanks!
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zrxdean
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posted August 01, 2005 01:27 PM
I'll be looking for you at the track Ra.
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posted August 01, 2005 01:48 PM
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YCIS, I understand what you are saying, however, because the dyno operator can also affect the outcome, I choose to meet at the track ,
and a rider..at the track...wont?
Silly argument.
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kzz1
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posted August 01, 2005 02:10 PM
How about a Grudge race
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zrxdean
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posted August 01, 2005 02:26 PM
That's a fantastic idea You coming RA? Or is it safe to assume something will prevent you from making it. 
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posted August 01, 2005 03:33 PM
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2) I have not challenged your riding abilities. This is a "builders" challenge not a riders challenge.
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I choose to meet at the track , bikes side by side, same day-same time
So uh, how are you going to eliminate the rider out of the equation ?
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posted August 01, 2005 03:35 PM
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Guess you'll have to prove it to me with math or physics...
Slippage is slippage. Anyway it's not worth the argument...
There isn't A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G in this topic that's worth the argument.
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posted August 01, 2005 05:26 PM
My money is on Kcadby as well!!
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Ra12r
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posted August 01, 2005 06:10 PM
Matt, I am not trying to eliminate skill from a rider. The rider will MAINLY effect the ET not the MPH, within limits. I already know Kevin can ride, but hey even a good rider can't make a SLOW bike faster. This is about engines that WIN vs Posing with a dyno sheet. What do I want with a 200hp dyno sheet 1270 that cannot win a race?! That is why I am looking for a KCADBY bike to race. Either it will beat me or get beat.........But, I had already put this challenge out there before.....sigh
Dean, I am trying to make it to Memphis, as I was going to the Rock on the 16th.
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posted August 01, 2005 08:02 PM
So why haven't you showed up at any of the races that Kevin has been to this year? He and John (the guy who owns the 1260 Kevin built) go to Jax almost every week, and to Gainesville at least once a month. How about this Sat nite at Gainesville?
What's up Trickdaddy - welcome to the board and I'll see you at Gainesville Wednesday if it doesn't rain. Trickdaddy runs 9.40s on his green 12 folks.
Dean
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posted August 02, 2005 03:27 AM
Kcadby would be one hell of a tough guy to beat... Even Dean can ride the snot out of a bike - and when my bike is done one or both of those guys are going to make a pass to see where i can improve on it since they are used to big power...
I think i've seen Trick at Gville as well...
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Ra12r
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posted August 02, 2005 04:42 AM
Dean?!?! Dean?!?! Dean?!?! I don't have time to chase someone around that is NOT DOING ANYTHING, you guys are not racing others except ET bracket. If you are interested in brokering a "REAL MONEY" race, then maybe I will travel to Florida. However, I don't think you are so relax. Just don't spend your money before I collect it!
I will be coming to your trailor like the "RA"pture, JUST BE READY, cause no man knows the time or place!
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kzz1
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posted August 02, 2005 04:52 AM
Edited By: kzz1 on 2 Aug 2005 05:59
Ra... Curious as to what kind of times are your running with your 1270? Or is it top secret. I for one on a 1270 have gone a 9.37 at MIR in June with a 1.5 something and 146 or 47 mph. I'm right at or close to 200# suited. Just took it to the dyno to check a/f and bike was lean from 6000 to redline. Will find out what it will run this Friday and Saturday motorcycle event. Hoping for some teens on motor sneek into the 8's on dope Anyone doing any better with a 1270/90????
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